B1283 - Sexual activity with animals bill 2017

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B1283 - Sexual activity with animals bill 2017, Submitted by Joecphillips seconded by Connor27

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A
BILL TO
Legalise sex with animals.

BE IT ENACTED by The Queen's most Excellent Majesty, by and with the advice and consent of the Commons in this present Parliament assembled, in accordance with the provisions of the Parliament Acts 1911 and 1949, and by the authority of the same, as follows:—

1- Repeal
(1) Section 69 of the sexual offences act is hereby repealed

2- Citation and commencement
(1) This Act extends to the United Kingdom.
(2) The provisions of this Act come into force on Royal Assent
(3) This Act may be referred to as the Sexual Activity With A Animal Act 2017

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http://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2003/42/section/69
The state should have no place in restricting anyone's sex life because they disagree with it.

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The state should have no place in restricting anyone's sex life because they disagree with it.
Liberals can be extremists too, you know. Presumably, by this logic, you (the authors) are happy for your three-year old daughter to be buggered by an adult.

There are animal cruelty implication to this nonsense too, of course.
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Liberals can be extremists too, you know. Presumably, by this logic, you (the authors) are happy for your three-year old daughter to be buggered by an adult.

There are animal cruelty implication to this nonsense too, of course.
Please direct this to the proposers. I am simply the speaker and hence am not even allowed to have a public opinion on the bill.
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Please direct this to the proposers. I am simply the speaker and hence am not even allowed to have a public opinion on the bill.
Although I quoted you, my post was directed at the proposers.
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Liberals can be extremists too, you know. Presumably, by this logic, you (the authors) are happy for your three-year old daughter to be buggered by an adult.

There are animal cruelty implication to this nonsense too, of course.
There is a difference between animals and a child, your argument is pretty much the same as people who oppose gay marriage oh but what about the paedophiles
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There is a difference between animals and a child, your argument is pretty much the same as people who oppose gay marriage oh but what about the paedophiles
I was attacking your ridiculous claim that the state should have no role in restricting sexual activity by using an example that nobody sane would disagree should be prevented.
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I was attacking your ridiculous claim that the state should have no role in restricting sexual activity by using an example that nobody sane would disagree should be prevented.
They should not but they should protect people’s rights and nothing else which is what sleeping with a 3 year old does
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Mr Speaker,

It is a shame that we have just elected a deviant to this Parliament who should really be institutionalised at an asylum. This bill just goes to show what degenerates the Libertarians are.
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They should not but they should protect people’s rights and nothing else
With rights come responsibilities. But anyway, since when have people had a right to copulate with animals? How can a non-existent right be protected?
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With rights come responsibilities. But anyway, since when have people had a right to copulate with animals? How can a non-existent right be protected?
The only legitimate role of the state is to protect people’s rights, this also means restricting freedoms (no matter how much you disagree with it) is a illegitimate use of power.
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The only legitimate role of the state is to protect people’s rights, this also means restricting freedoms (no matter how much you disagree with it) is a illegitimate use of power.
I see. That is nonsense. You'll be wanting to repeal gun control next, and allow Britons to carry grenade launchers.
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Mr Speaker,

It is a shame that we have just elected a deviant to this Parliament who should really be institutionalised at an asylum. This bill just goes to show what degenerates the Libertarians are.
Salty?
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I see. That is nonsense. You'll be wanting to repeal gun control next, and allow Britons to carry grenade launchers.
I do want to repeal gun laws considering that when they were introduced the homicide rate increased but that is a different issue
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I'm struggling with this one. If no harm is done then you are right, the state has no need to get involved. Animal walefare does need to be taken into consideration as well. Ultimately I'd be against this. The small amount of the population that would benefit from this does not take away from the rights of the animals involved imo.
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I see. That is nonsense. You'll be wanting to repeal gun control next, and allow Britons to carry grenade launchers.
Funnily enough we did submit a handguns bill last term but unfortunately it failed - we subscribe to a little ideology called classical liberalism, you know, the basis of western civilisation, you might want to give it a try some time.
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Funnily enough we did submit a handguns bill last term but unfortunately it failed - we subscribe to a little ideology called classical liberalism, you know, the basis of western civilisation, you might want to give it a try some time.
I was approached to join your party but, as is obvious, you seem to espouse extreme liberalism, and extreme liberalism is next door to anarchy.
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Animals cannot realistically consent to such acts - it is therefore a form of animal cruelty.
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Animals cannot realistically consent to such acts - it is therefore a form of animal cruelty.
These are not exactly the same thing though. In social animals like ours rape can have a huge effect on somebodies life. Can the same be said of an animal? In cases where the animal is not harmed is there a reason for this to be illegal?
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Can the same be said of an animal?
The honest answer is that neither you nor anyone else knows. How long is it since you started wanting to have sex with animals?
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The honest answer is that neither you nor anyone else knows.
True. We cannot know for sure, but we can look at some examples of animals interacting with humans. Dolphins have been observed attempting to initiate sex with other animals, including humans. It's hard to discover conclusively whether or not a sex act is consensual, especially when we cannot communicate with the 'victim', however, it's hard to argue that in all cases of bestiality are nonconsensual when some animals will willingly engage in sexual acts with humans. In these cases what business does the state have in the issue?

* I should point at that I am still against this bill, just playing devil's advocate for a bit
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