My mum left Islam at 40 years old. AMA.

The media that classifies the Muslims as Terrorists?! Is that the media that you are talking about?

The media that frames random muslims as committing ridiculous crimes and when a white individual carries outthe same actions he is classified as having mental health issues. Double standards?

That media are you referring to?

Google is your friend. My parents are Hindu.

I'm not an authority on religion. How about asking your local imam if you're really interested about?

Perhaps they should stop blowing stuff up then? You have to have a political motivation to be a terrorist.The guy in las vegas had no known motive whereas with muslim terrorists the motivation is Islam which is a political motivation.

Perhaps they should stop blowing stuff up then? You have to have a political motivation to be a terrorist.The guy in las vegas had no known motive whereas with muslim terrorists the motivation is Islam which is a political motivation.

Why is Islam so concerned and eager about the end of this world?

Well - you have the facts of history. From that you can deduce your own conclusions. Why do you need my opinion.

Read: http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/islam/history/mughalempire_1.shtml

My family are Hindu - during 1947 they lost property, houses, land and were driven out with nothing. They came to India with nothing and had to start from scratch.

Does that make me hate a religious group? No, you need to take an individual for who they are - regardless of colour, race or religion.

Just because someone is born as Muslim or claims to believe in Islam doesn't "necessarily" make them a "Muslim"

It will be the day of reckoning.

It is like studying for a test and finding out how you have done.

Only the test is this life and how you pass it is by pleasing the creator.

.......How can you even ask the question about killing innocent people?

Check this out but I think that there is a verse about there being no compulsion in religion.

Check out: 2:256

Your statements are quite irrelevant to be honest and all you're really doing is dodging the question.

When did I suggest anything about hating a religious group? All I'm doing is taking facts from the Quran and asking questions which individuals here do not want to answer. Of course I agree that you need take an individual for who they are regardless of colour, race or religion, but that's irrelevant to our discussion.

I also agree that one isn't automatically a Muslim just because they were born into a Muslim family - but I don't see what point you're trying to make in relation to our discussion.

Read the verses before and after....

That’s objectively not true though- by all accounts the Quran is considered a book of literature- in fact one which surpassed all others in that time. Arabic is a language known for its poetry and literature, and even those who opposed the religion at the time generally accepted it to be a work of art, and to this day it’s still considered to be one (Quranic Arabic is considered to be much more complex than traditional Arabic, which is complex in itself!). That’s just looking at it from a literature perspective, so it’s a bit naïve to call it a “book written by some medieval guys” regardless of your feelings towards the faith I’d say.

Call it what you wish, but note how religous people yearn for the end of this world.

It's transparent how this reaosning can be destructive to a society.

Only that haven't confirmed that we are doing a test.
And that we haven't confirmed the existence of a God.
And if we are doing a test, God knows our result and thus this life cannot truly be a test.

Such a belief is a sadist one.

It sounds awefully oppressive to be forced to love/respect and fear/obey something in order to be granted a reward.

Yep so Ayat-ul-Kursi the one before ... Sorry what's the point you're trying to make?

Am I late?

Ignore the haters. You and your mum have made one of the best decisions that you will ever make in your life. Congratulations!

I am an ex Muslim (now Agnostic-Atheist) too and I left after I properly analysed the Quran with tafseer,various different Hadiths and the life of Muhammad. But leaving was harder for me as I lived in Pakistan back then and my family is deeply religious.

I made a thread about it which you might like
https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=4810160

You might find these links to be useful too
https://www.reddit.com/r/exmuslim/comments/64ql28/why_we_left_islam_megathread_20/

https://www.reddit.com/r/exmuslim/

https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/showthread.php?t=4236658

https://www.ex-muslim.org.uk


I would also recommend that you check out The Masked Arab on youtube
https://m.youtube.com/channel/UC9JU55HpvRvCSb1TO2w_eDA

After the verse you quote above which is so commonly used, there follows these in which the no compulsion statement contradicts its command to kill non-Muslims if they don't pay the infidel tax, and to massacre:


"Excepted are those with whom you made a treaty among the infidels and then they have not been deficient toward you in anything or supported anyone against you; so complete for them their treaty until their term. Indeed, Allah loves the righteous. And when the sacred months have passed, then kill the infidels wherever you find them and capture them and besiege them and sit in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they should repent, establish prayer, and pay tribute tax, let them [go] on their way. Indeed, Allah is Forgiving and Merciful." - Quran 9*:4-5

How do you answer that?

No, that is in Chapter 9, not the verse before or after.

This verse was revealed when only the bitterest enemies of Islam remained, Muslims had been persecuted for 13 years and even migrated before fighting back in self defence. And even then, as you have rightly quoted, Muslims should not fight the idolaters who have not tried to persecute Muslims or who have made a treaty with them.

The verse also gives the people who cause violence and disorder 4 months to consider their actions, unfortunately that was not the case. As the title of this chapter (Al- Taubah- Forgiveness ) suggests, the best way is to forgive, and if the people who used to persecute you ask for forgiveness, you should always accept that.

You don't need to answer my question but the fact that you refuse to, or should I say, unable to, tells me a lot.

I have realised that you are simply and mindlessly defending a religion you know nothing of, just like the media likes to do.

So, goodbye and have a good evening.

Those terrorists that blow stuff up are not muslims...thats what they seem to label themselves as