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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Fair enough, i was going by electoral calculus. Some tight seats presumably.
    One of the more amusing things to note is that both Boris Johnson and David Davies will be in search of new seats if the changes go through. Quite a change to current politics without those two!
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    (Original post by Davij038)
    On the last point- they were completely right to call the election in 2017 and tbf they did get a very ‘good’ result in terms of percentage.

    What was wrong was:

    A- an appalling election strategy
    B- an appalling manifesto
    C- a appalling leader
    D- Tory arrogance over a complete shambles of an opppsition.
    E - Youth actually went out to vote. Polling generally took low youth turnout into account.

    F - it was just unforeseeable. Everyone was as surprised over the result, including the left. There was a real sociological reason for the how the election went, it was just hidden in such a way that to suspect anyone to predict it is unfair. Democracies are supposed to be chaotic and self correcting resulting in emergent macro properties (Something the EU lacks, there is no way to get a regime change so they just carry on with their doomed trajectory). Just like wot markets are supposed to do.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    Interesting points.

    Labour have a serious problem coming up if the boundary commission proposals currently put forward for seat boundary revisions go through - May would have had a good majority if they had been in place at the election.
    https://boundarycommissionforengland...k/2018-review/

    The Tories have also been busy trying to rig elections by getting the electoral registration rules changed so that (for example) new voters don't get auto-registered and also by blocking systematic attempts to register voters in deprived areas living in multi-occupancy dwellings by refusing money to councils to do this.

    It looks as if things will be increasingly tipped against Labour in the basic maths of elections going forwards.
    Not having automatic registration isn't a change, to my knowledge we have never had it and people cannot pretend that they did not know an election is coming or how to register (or re register as many people do not realising they're already registered), a lot of money gets spent on it every election.
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    (Original post by Davij038)
    On the last point- they were completely right to call the election in 2017 and tbf they did get a very ‘good’ result in terms of percentage.

    What was wrong was:

    A- an appalling election strategy
    B- an appalling manifesto
    C- a appalling leader
    D- Tory arrogance over a complete shambles of an opppsition.
    In reality though it wasn't that good a result because with a competent leader and properly run campaign we could have been pushing towards the first popular majority since 1931(although in reality more like the 45-50% range).

    I got the impression that CCHQ is not wanting to be critical of the election when a survey went round asking party members to give their opinions on the election and it was all stuff about how the election had been run locally and the only place you could really comment on the national campaign and its failings was in the "any other comments" box, there was nothing on how we thought the election was run nationally and the leadership have proved they did not take it on because nothing has changed apart from trying EVEN HARDER to lose by alienating the base even more (if budget speculation is to be believed), going SJW, and shifting even further left instead of defending free market capitalism.

    May went into the election complacent, and has come out of the election laughing her tits off knowing that even the ruthless party doesn't have the balls to get rid of her until after brexit negotiations are over.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    In reality though it wasn't that good a result because with a competent leader and properly run campaign we could have been pushing towards the first popular majority since 1931(although in reality more like the 45-50% range).

    I got the impression that CCHQ is not wanting to be critical of the election when a survey went round asking party members to give their opinions on the election and it was all stuff about how the election had been run locally and the only place you could really comment on the national campaign and its failings was in the "any other comments" box, there was nothing on how we thought the election was run nationally and the leadership have proved they did not take it on because nothing has changed apart from trying EVEN HARDER to lose by alienating the base even more (if budget speculation is to be believed), going SJW, and shifting even further left instead of defending free market capitalism.

    May went into the election complacent, and has come out of the election laughing her tits off knowing that even the ruthless party doesn't have the balls to get rid of her until after brexit negotiations are over.
    I say it’s ‘good’ because when Although disastrous given previous polling as well as every favourable headstart (popular leader, divided opposition) it still wasn’t the humiliating defeat some have made it out to be.

    The economic leftist stuff is just pathetic. It’s just wrong on every angle and is reheated Milibandism. At least what Corbyn is offering is popular.

    The SJW stuff is even worse. It’s openibg a toxic can of worms and then covering yourself in it.

    The so called Conservative party seem to believe that Brexit means the Labour Party are ultimately right about everything, but their policies are just too expensive.

    Maybe that’s why they’re taken so long. Despite being a remainer, I think the best thing to do now is give the talks two more months or so and if no deal is reached on our terms quit unilaterally.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    In reality though it wasn't that good a result because with a competent leader and properly run campaign we could have been pushing towards the first popular majority since 1931(although in reality more like the 45-50% range).

    I got the impression that CCHQ is not wanting to be critical of the election when a survey went round asking party members to give their opinions on the election and it was all stuff about how the election had been run locally and the only place you could really comment on the national campaign and its failings was in the "any other comments" box, there was nothing on how we thought the election was run nationally and the leadership have proved they did not take it on because nothing has changed apart from trying EVEN HARDER to lose by alienating the base even more (if budget speculation is to be believed), going SJW, and shifting even further left instead of defending free market capitalism.

    May went into the election complacent, and has come out of the election laughing her tits off knowing that even the ruthless party doesn't have the balls to get rid of her until after brexit negotiations are over.
    Quite why anyone under 40 thinks it in their interest to vote Tory, never mind be a member, is baffling. The party that supports hiking tuition fees, underfunding education and denying young people a living wage cannot believe its luck.

    The truth being that once the public got to see Corbyn in the flesh and hear him as opposed to smearing hack pieces from right wing media, they came around and reduced a 25 point gap to a few per cent. The polls show people here favour progressive policy when not told whose idea it is.


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