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    Don't normally post deep topics like this on here but this has been plaguing my mind recently.

    I've been forced out of my last two jobs, jobs in an airport which I really enjoyed. It was a learning curve, I made a couple of mistakes, not going to lie, didn't lose the company any money at all but they acted like I had and were quite happy to chuck a 19-20 year old out of his job to fend for himself and I'm still not back on my feet yet (not on benefits before anyone assumes). Working in an airport in one of the better jobs I've met all different levels of work, from the top management of the company to the people sitting in one of the airport shops waiting for customers for hours. Having seen that, and having a lot more time to myself now, is really making me think that we're just messed up.

    Don't get me wrong, I am not saying any of this in a negative "I'm depressed, life sucks, I just want it to be over" way, I think this world is amazing. I encourage everyone to travel, to just get out of normality for a bit and try something new, go to new places, make new memories, that for me is the whole purpose of life, to try everything it has to offer. But how can we when if you're in a job that pays your bills and feeds your family and that's pretty much it is a good job, and when you're only given enough holiday to go one place a year? You won't scratch the surface of this world with that.

    The people who own the companies you work for make millions upon millions of profit for the work YOU'VE done, how YOU have helped the customer to keep revenue up. No one spends millions upon millions in their life. It just sits there in their bank, so they can say "I've done well." The managers of the companies make stacks as well, but they work 70+ hours a week, so they can go home to a nice house in a nice car, eat and go to bed and get up early for work the next day. How is this "living"?

    I've gone to thinking that the nicest, most kind-hearted people who realise how good life is and how it needs to be lived, are the ones who don't get to live how they want to and give up eventually because they refuse to join in this pursuit of giving up their life for money. I'm probably wrong by saying the people who ARE in this endless pursuit know they have the power to cause real good in this world, by helping the people who have got them to that stage, by sharing what they won't use and giving them the time to live an amazing life outside of work, but they won't due to.. selfishness? Greed? Yeah, I'm probably wrong, but having been chucked out into the streets twice now before I turn 21 I'm yet to see any of this.

    This includes celebrities as well. Money is a status symbol to these people, and that's it. It's all down to who you know and how rich your parents are, that decides who is in the 1% that owns 99% of the world's finances.

    And I can tell now, that the responses I have got and will get from this view is, "that's how it is and how it always will be. Nothing you can do. That's life". Well in that case, I hope something very soon makes us all extinct.

    But yeah. Rant/thought process over. Anyone agree?

    tldr; We're screwed.
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    Hi FightToWin,

    How are you? My friend and I were talking about this sort of thing the other week & she was saying money is evil. When I was younger I remember writing that exact thing in my diary! I do think the majority of people who have money want more of it.

    I love your attitude to life, when you said you think this world is amazing and that you encourage everyone to travel. I think that the people who may respond to this with saying about how that's the way it's always been so that's the way it'll continue to be may not see that things can and do change. I hope they do. I think life is about living also, not about money or cars or houses. Yes, we need money nowadays to buy food and other essentials, housing etc. But back before money was invented, we bartered with products (cattle, sheep, cheese, other food) and skills (teaching others anything) (correct me if I'm wrong) and I think we need to go back to that way.

    Swapping skills with other skills, being kind to others regardless of their financial or other status. Treating people with respect and admiration for just living in this world regardless of their job, career, who they know, etc. I think I'm going on a bit of a rant now, lol. I for one would love to live off-grid just for a bit to see how it goes. To experience that freedom. Maybe one day.

    P.s. I don't think we're screwed, we just need another way of thinking about things and then making things change for the better. It'll happen, well, I believe it will. Whether in this lifetime or another, I'm not sure...

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    I completely agree. So sorry to hear life's been hard on you but glad that you seem to be dealing with it so well But this is essentially why I'm both a Christian and a socialist despite those two identities seeming at first like they crash. The point of humanity is not to be "economically productive" and I honestly think the world would be a far, far better place if we could move away from that notion.
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    If you're only working 30-40 hours a week what are you doing the rest of the week?

    Lol you think CEOs don't work hard? Most CEOs are narcisstic workaholics that work 100+ hours a week.
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    (Original post by Hirsty97)
    If you're only working 30-40 hours a week what are you doing the rest of the week?

    Lol you think CEOs don't work hard? Most CEOs are narcisstic workaholics that work 100+ hours a week.
    I worked 40 hours a week and because of my shift patterns by the time I've got home from work, got changed, gone to the gym, come back and eaten by that time if I don't go to bed pretty soon I can't function at work through lack of sleep. So 40 hours a week can easily take up your entire day.

    And that's exactly my point. Why do they work 100+ hours a week when that leaves them with no time outside of work to actually spend what they've earnt? Spending your whole life at work just so you can drive to and from work in a brand new BMW, to sleep in a mansion getting ready for work? How is that living exactly?

    But yeah, that post missed the whole topic entirely. The topic was about how we're messed up when it comes to money.
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    (Original post by FightToWin)
    I worked 40 hours a week and because of my shift patterns by the time I've got home from work, got changed, gone to the gym, come back and eaten by that time if I don't go to bed pretty soon I can't function at work through lack of sleep. So 40 hours a week can easily take up your entire day.

    And that's exactly my point. Why do they work 100+ hours a week when that leaves them with no time outside of work to actually spend what they've earnt? Spending your whole life at work just so you can drive to and from work in a brand new BMW, to sleep in a mansion getting ready for work? How is that living exactly?

    But yeah, that post missed the whole topic entirely. The topic was about how we're messed up when it comes to money.
    Because they enjoy work. You don't need to sleep that much you can multi-task. I.e When at the gym listen to podcasts to educate yourself .I only sleep four hours a night. I only sleep four hours a night that allows me 140 hours in a week. 100 hours could be spent on work and 40 on essentials like eating, gym, shower, etc
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    (Original post by FightToWin)
    I've gone to thinking that the nicest, most kind-hearted people who realise how good life is and how it needs to be lived, are the ones who don't get to live how they want to and give up eventually because they refuse to join in this pursuit of giving up their life for money.
    theres solid proof of it. I was watching a couple of videos of life in the slums of India expecting to feel sorry for them. whilst it was sad that they were all malnourished and wearing torn clothing the one thing I questioned - and my query was shared by several people in the comment section - is how the hell they all looked so happy. honestly the smiles never left their faces. but then i guess when you've already got nothing, you've got nothing to worry about. i mean in the sense that everyone is in the same boat as you. this is the problem with people who do have wealth, theres all various degrees of wealth and therefore it becomes a battle of 'who is the wealthiest - who has the most'? this is why people are practically killing themselves trying to get one up on each other, no idea why we have a sad desperation to be the wealthier one, the one with the flasher car, the bigger house, the more educated kids, the fancier wedding. we're just a society of jealous, greedy people all trying to outdo each other. almost as if we think we can't be happy unless we win against everyone else

    heres another vid - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LkR9v7XD5I
    the only person who cared about the mans life was a homeless man. God bless him
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    I reckon money is just a consequence of how we are 'as a species'. But I'm far from being an expert on the subject.
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    (Original post by Hirsty97)
    Because they enjoy work. You don't need to sleep that much you can multi-task. I.e When at the gym listen to podcasts to educate yourself .I only sleep four hours a night. I only sleep four hours a night that allows me 140 hours in a week. 100 hours could be spent on work and 40 on essentials like eating, gym, shower, etc
    4 hours of sleep a DAY is incredible. I fell asleep at work once and I'm pretty sure that was on about 4 hours.

    On another note, that can't be good for your health, but who am I to tell you that.

    You're still not understanding my message tho. Why are these CEO's so happy to chuck someone out onto the streets knowing full well they might not get another job because of their now ruined record, knowing that it's of no personal gain to them (they don't get a bonus for firing people) and knowing their company is doing well enough as it is? That is a human life you're playing with, and that job could be the only thing keeping them alive.

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    theres solid proof of it. I was watching a couple of videos of life in the slums of India expecting to feel sorry for them. whilst it was sad that they were all malnourished and wearing torn clothing the one thing I questioned - and my query was shared by several people in the comment section - is how the hell they all looked so happy. honestly the smiles never left their faces. but then i guess when you've already got nothing, you've got nothing to worry about. i mean in the sense that everyone is in the same boat as you. this is the problem with people who do have wealth, theres all various degrees of wealth and therefore it becomes a battle of 'who is the wealthiest - who has the most'? this is why people are practically killing themselves trying to get one up on each other, no idea why we have a sad desperation to be the wealthier one, the one with the flasher car, the bigger house, the more educated kids, the fancier wedding. we're just a society of jealous, greedy people all trying to outdo each other. almost as if we think we can't be happy unless we win against everyone else

    heres another vid - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-LkR9v7XD5I
    the only person who cared about the mans life was a homeless man. God bless him
    That was so true.

    People in those communities, if they get a big win that's NOT money, i don't know, let's just say in a village in Africa, they find a well with plenty of clean water, they don't just keep it as a secret for their family, they tell the whole village, so the whole village can have water, because they know what it's like to be struggling like that. Obviously we have people here who either don't know or don't care what it's like to be broke, have nothing in the bank for retirement, struggling to feed ourselves and go without meals etc.

    If I went for a drink with one of my friends and told them "You owe me £3 so you can get the next round" it would probably start an argument over whether they actually did. The difference between us and these other countries are as big as the difference between people who have had it good in life, and the people who haven't. And money is the contributing factor to both those differences.
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    (Original post by FightToWin)
    Don't normally post deep topics like this on here but this has been plaguing my mind recently.

    I've been forced out of my last two jobs, jobs in an airport which I really enjoyed. It was a learning curve, I made a couple of mistakes, not going to lie, didn't lose the company any money at all but they acted like I had and were quite happy to chuck a 19-20 year old out of his job to fend for himself and I'm still not back on my feet yet (not on benefits before anyone assumes). Working in an airport in one of the better jobs I've met all different levels of work, from the top management of the company to the people sitting in one of the airport shops waiting for customers for hours. Having seen that, and having a lot more time to myself now, is really making me think that we're just messed up.

    Don't get me wrong, I am not saying any of this in a negative "I'm depressed, life sucks, I just want it to be over" way, I think this world is amazing. I encourage everyone to travel, to just get out of normality for a bit and try something new, go to new places, make new memories, that for me is the whole purpose of life, to try everything it has to offer. But how can we when if you're in a job that pays your bills and feeds your family and that's pretty much it is a good job, and when you're only given enough holiday to go one place a year? You won't scratch the surface of this world with that.

    The people who own the companies you work for make millions upon millions of profit for the work YOU'VE done, how YOU have helped the customer to keep revenue up. No one spends millions upon millions in their life. It just sits there in their bank, so they can say "I've done well." The managers of the companies make stacks as well, but they work 70+ hours a week, so they can go home to a nice house in a nice car, eat and go to bed and get up early for work the next day. How is this "living"?

    I've gone to thinking that the nicest, most kind-hearted people who realise how good life is and how it needs to be lived, are the ones who don't get to live how they want to and give up eventually because they refuse to join in this pursuit of giving up their life for money. I'm probably wrong by saying the people who ARE in this endless pursuit know they have the power to cause real good in this world, by helping the people who have got them to that stage, by sharing what they won't use and giving them the time to live an amazing life outside of work, but they won't due to.. selfishness? Greed? Yeah, I'm probably wrong, but having been chucked out into the streets twice now before I turn 21 I'm yet to see any of this.

    This includes celebrities as well. Money is a status symbol to these people, and that's it. It's all down to who you know and how rich your parents are, that decides who is in the 1% that owns 99% of the world's finances.

    And I can tell now, that the responses I have got and will get from this view is, "that's how it is and how it always will be. Nothing you can do. That's life". Well in that case, I hope something very soon makes us all extinct.

    But yeah. Rant/thought process over. Anyone agree?

    tldr; We're screwed.
    Hey, I see where you are coming from as individuals who are bosses in a company only care about the profits their company is receiving as well as continuously managing a company for the sake of wealth.

    Personally, I also was kicked out of my job though until today I haven't received an accurate explanation as to why but it did make me ponder that these individuals really do not care about anything but money. Looking back now I'm really glad I was sacked because looking from a magnifying glass to work in such a corrupted place really is not ideal.

    The conception of money is what keeps individuals on their toes. It's a luxury they look forward to after a 'long hard day at work'. Yeah because those individuals back in Africa or India for instance they would carry out manual hard labour and sometimes they don't even get paid!

    Its sad to see the nation chasing after money all the time

    So sorry to hear about your situation and I truly hope you do get a better job(regardless of pay and hours) soon!

    All the best!
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    (Original post by FightToWin)
    I worked 40 hours a week and because of my shift patterns by the time I've got home from work, got changed, gone to the gym, come back and eaten by that time if I don't go to bed pretty soon I can't function at work through lack of sleep. So 40 hours a week can easily take up your entire day.

    And that's exactly my point. Why do they work 100+ hours a week when that leaves them with no time outside of work to actually spend what they've earnt? Spending your whole life at work just so you can drive to and from work in a brand new BMW, to sleep in a mansion getting ready for work? How is that living exactly?

    But yeah, that post missed the whole topic entirely. The topic was about how we're messed up when it comes to money.

    Working hard isn't for everyone I'm not saying you have to do it but don't expect to earn as much as someone that hustles all week if they are working 2.5x more than you. Unless you can come up with a particularly ingenious idea that you make money from with minimal effort

    Humans are hard-wired to derive pleasure from working hard. If I sat and ate cookies all day I'd get sick of cookies and wouldn't enjoy them. If I worked all day came home and ate some cookies, those cookies would be the best tasting cookies I've ever had.

    All your doing is moaning about problem without offering solutions. We live a money based society because bartering grew too inconvenient. People get rewarded for their input into the free market with this medium-of-exchange (or at least should in theory). What's your alternative? Communism which has already been tested with virtually every conceivable nuances and has a bodycount >100 million in the last century?
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    (Original post by Saoirse:3)
    I completely agree. So sorry to hear life's been hard on you but glad that you seem to be dealing with it so well But this is essentially why I'm both a Christian and a socialist despite those two identities seeming at first like they crash. The point of humanity is not to be "economically productive" and I honestly think the world would be a far, far better place if we could move away from that notion.
    I'm also a Socialist, as well as religious (reverting to Islam in the near future), it does seem like an odd combination initially but when looked into it makes more sense than being an ultra-capitalist poor hating Muslim or Christian or whatever, especially with the countless scriptural verses that speak against such beliefs and practises.
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    (Original post by Hirsty97)
    Working hard isn't for everyone I'm not saying you have to do it but don't expect to earn as much as someone that hustles all week if they are working 2.5x more than you. Unless you can come up with a particularly ingenious idea that you make money from with minimal effort

    Humans are hard-wired to derive pleasure from working hard. If I sat and ate cookies all day I'd get sick of cookies and wouldn't enjoy them. If I worked all day came home and ate some cookies, those cookies would be the best tasting cookies I've ever had.

    All your doing is moaning about problem without offering solutions. We live a money based society because bartering grew too inconvenient. People get rewarded for their input into the free market with this medium-of-exchange (or at least should in theory). What's your alternative? Communism which has already been tested with virtually every conceivable nuances and has a bodycount >100 million in the last century?
    You're answering questions I haven't asked and ignored the ones I have asked. I just don't think you're going to understand the point of this topic.

    And there's a perfectly possible alternative that I'm fully confident will never happen, which is why I haven't offered it.

    1% of people own 99% of the world's finances.

    Quite simply, this 1% of people needs to stop being so greedy and pay the employees, the one reason this 1% of people is earning so much money, for the hard work they're actually doing, rather than just the minimum legal requirement, which is pretty much f all. I'd love to see everyone in one business walk out and leave it's £350,000 a year CEO to run all the stores himself.

    Unfortunately, that's never going to happen, so the majority of people just try to become part of the 1%,or use it as an excuse to sit around complaining about it doing nothing productive.
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    (Original post by FightToWin)
    You're answering questions I haven't asked and ignored the ones I have asked. I just don't think you're going to understand the point of this topic.

    And there's a perfectly possible alternative that I'm fully confident will never happen, which is why I haven't offered it.

    1% of people own 99% of the world's finances.

    Quite simply, this 1% of people needs to stop being so greedy and pay the employees, the one reason this 1% of people is earning so much money, for the hard work they're actually doing, rather than just the minimum legal requirement, which is pretty much f all. I'd love to see everyone in one business walk out and leave it's £350,000 a year CEO to run all the stores himself.

    Unfortunately, that's never going to happen, so the majority of people just try to become part of the 1%,or use it as an excuse to sit around complaining about it doing nothing productive.
    If it's a perfectly possible alternative then why are you fully confident it will never materialise? Seen as you have the secret to the world's ails why not illuminate us?

    Obviously a CEO isn't going to be able to manage every minute detail of his business. They are suited for a CEO because they possess leadership qualities, I'm pretty sure the employees get paid and they are not coerced to work for him or her and agree on their salary through a contract.
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    (Original post by Hirsty97)
    If it's a perfectly possible alternative then why are you fully confident it will never materialise? Seen as you have the secret to the world's ails why not illuminate us?

    Obviously a CEO isn't going to be able to manage every minute detail of his business. They are suited for a CEO because they possess leadership qualities, I'm pretty sure the employees get paid and they are not coerced to work for him or her and agree on their salary through a contract.
    I gave you my alternative in the last post.

    And if a CEO isn't able to manage every minute detail of his business that what gives him the right to claim all of the profit, far more than he'll ever spend in his life, without a second thought for the people who earned him it, who could still be struggling to keep a roof over their head with the job?

    I'll ask you this one more time, although I'm not too sure why:
    Why are these CEO's so happy to chuck someone out onto the streets knowing full well they might not get another job because of their now ruined record, knowing that it's of no personal gain to them (they don't get a bonus for firing people) and knowing their company is doing well enough as it is, that is a human life you're playing with, and that job could be the only thing keeping them alive?
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    Money is alright. It's greed that is the nasty thing.
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    (Original post by FightToWin)
    I gave you my alternative in the last post.

    And if a CEO isn't able to manage every minute detail of his business that what gives him the right to claim all of the profit, far more than he'll ever spend in his life, without a second thought for the people who earned him it, who could still be struggling to keep a roof over their head with the job?

    I'll ask you this one more time, although I'm not too sure why:
    Why are these CEO's so happy to chuck someone out onto the streets knowing full well they might not get another job because of their now ruined record, knowing that it's of no personal gain to them (they don't get a bonus for firing people) and knowing their company is doing well enough as it is, that is a human life you're playing with, and that job could be the only thing keeping them alive?
    There are laws that prevent you from getting fired without a viable reason. If you believe you were fired unjustly you can file a litigation against them. I doubt the CEOs are happy to fire and typically it wouldn't be their decision depending on the size of the business, but rather managers/HR. The time to recruit from the human resources department is extremely tedious and can be quite costly so they don't want to fire wherever possible. Some companies are ran by d1cks though, I used to work for a company called Deliveroo and they terminated by contract without a reason and upon emailing/ringing them they wouldn't explain. My suggestion is equip yourself with the knowledge of your legal rights as an employee and if the job is the only thing keeping you alive, then I suggest you sort out your finances, you should aim to have at least 6 months of savings to accost for frugal living in case you lose your job for whatever reason.

    If job security is that much of a big issue for you get a job as a teacher or some other public sector job - that way you can just expropriate financial resources from those that work à la the greedy Mr. Burns-esque CEOs you seem to have fictionalised in your head.
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    (Original post by Hirsty97)
    There are laws that prevent you from getting fired without a viable reason. If you believe you were fired unjustly you can file a litigation against them. I doubt the CEOs are happy to fire and typically it wouldn't be their decision depending on the size of the business, but rather managers/HR. The time to recruit from the human resources department is extremely tedious and can be quite costly so they don't want to fire wherever possible. Some companies are ran by d1cks though, I used to work for a company called Deliveroo and they terminated by contract without a reason and upon emailing/ringing them they wouldn't explain. My suggestion is equip yourself with the knowledge of your legal rights as an employee and if the job is the only thing keeping you alive, then I suggest you sort out your finances, you should aim to have at least 6 months of savings to accost for frugal living in case you lose your job for whatever reason.

    If job security is that much of a big issue for you get a job as a teacher or some other public sector job - that way you can just expropriate financial resources from those that work à la the greedy Mr. Burns-esque CEOs you seem to have fictionalised in your head.
    I agree with that, I just didn't want to drag the case out because they took 3 months to do anything about the case and I realised I could be far better off in a different job, I believe everything happens for a reason and that this was my way into something better. Still pissed me off though.

    Having said that one of my housemates works as a FOH manager in a popular luxury hotel and claims she fired someone because they weren't using proper vocabulary when speaking to the customers or something? Which to be quite honest disgusted me, all it takes is a simple talk with them, maybe some retraining.

    But that's the thing, my job required a lot of training and still only paid just enough. I didn't live extravagantly. Lived in a house share. No car. No travelling. And still once my bills had been paid, I had about £500 left. What does that do for me? I want a car? I'll be left with nothing. I want a deposit on a house, or even a flat? Yeah, that's not happening. But still, without me to do the job that I did in the airport there'd be a lot more accidents. Yet as a reward, I can only just get by?

    Sorry to hear about the Deliveroo situation tho. We get them everywhere where I live. Not really too surprised they'd treat someone like that. But your owner was worth £1.2 bn. And he couldn't possibly deliver all those takeaways by himself. Therefore, he should be a bit more sharing.
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    (Original post by FightToWin)
    You're answering questions I haven't asked and ignored the ones I have asked. I just don't think you're going to understand the point of this topic.

    And there's a perfectly possible alternative that I'm fully confident will never happen, which is why I haven't offered it.

    1% of people own 99% of the world's finances.

    Quite simply, this 1% of people needs to stop being so greedy and pay the employees, the one reason this 1% of people is earning so much money, for the hard work they're actually doing, rather than just the minimum legal requirement, which is pretty much f all. I'd love to see everyone in one business walk out and leave it's £350,000 a year CEO to run all the stores himself.

    Unfortunately, that's never going to happen, so the majority of people just try to become part of the 1%,or use it as an excuse to sit around complaining about it doing nothing productive.
    I don't think the UK's 1% own 99% of its finances. Furthermore, you are likely to be part of the world's 1%, all you need is a 35k income. This should put things under perspective. If you think the ceos are exploiting you, think about how we are all exploiting the rest of the world.

    Wages are set by the market. It a firm offers 50k to a CEO, they won't get a good one. Regardless, since firms distribute millions/billions of dividends, it's better to use incentives to ensure the ceo's interests are aligned with those of the shareholders. Overpaying one person (or some managers) won't do much damage to the firm's finances. Overpaying everyone means the firm will have to shut down. It's simply impossible for the average firm to be profitable if it pays everyone 200k. For example, firms whose employees are in large percentage engineers have huge labour expenses which impact their profitability significantly.

    Anyone who owns shares benefits from low wages and profitable firms. For the poor who don't, the alternative to the current level of wages is unemployment, since firms can't sustain higher wages.
 
 
 
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