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    If labour wasn't an actually viable threat to the conservative party, I reckon she'd have probably been kicked out by now. Calling an election to get a bigger majority and accidentally causing a resurgence in the opposition wouldn't fly at any other time.
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    Sensible people don't require a strong leader, they require good decisions implememted.

    Some people have learned nothing from the 20th century
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    I can't see any party coming up with a Brexit deal that is acceptable the population at large. Brexit bitterly divided the nation and any deal will likely do the same. Not that many people seemed to be indifferent about Brexit, the debate was so polarised.

    Eventually they'll have to come to some sort of arrangement, most of the country won't like it but I don't see what else can be done. Whatever the agreement, there will be plenty on both sides of the argument saying it's not sufficient.

    This is why I think Peter Hitchens was spot on about Brexit and how it should have been in a party's manifesto, rather than being put to a referendum. The referendum has produced a result that no one is responsible for implementing. If a party put in their manifesto that they would leave the EU and this meant leaving the single market, customs union, ECJ etc, then they would have been held accountable for delivering it.

    As a Labour voter, I don't see what the Labour party can really do. The Brexit negotiations are a poisoned chalice and whichever party agrees the final deal will be punished by the electorate. All Labour can do really is try to ensure that the Tories own the Brexit negotiations and the mess that follows from them.
    That is good party politics but from the country's point of view, terrible.

    More, if Labour does win the next election they will still inherit the consequences of "the mess", so they will have a foundering economy and appalling public finances as a backdrop to government.

    Since they will also have to contend with opposition from big business, the civil service, and the media (the entire establishment in other words) it is hard to see how any future Corbyn Government will be anything other than a disaster.

    Winning an election as a populist is the relatively easy part. Successfully governing in the teeth of a gale of opposition something else. Ask Trump.
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    (Original post by generallee)
    That is good party politics but from the country's point of view, terrible.

    More, if Labour does win the next election they will still inherit the consequences of "the mess", so they will have a foundering economy and appalling public finances as a backdrop to government.

    Since they will also have to contend with opposition from big business, the civil service, and the media (the entire establishment in other words) it is hard to see how any future Corbyn Government will be anything other than a disaster.

    Winning an election as a populist is the relatively easy part. Successfully governing in the teeth of a gale of opposition something else. Ask Trump.
    The media is a problem for Corbyn I'll grant but the others can be pinned on the EU by either the Tories or Labour (Labour can also blame the tories). That's the horrifying thing about Brexit is virtualy everything that goes wrong can just be pinned on those mean eurocrats that "don't want brexit to succeed", so the retarded decisions have a magic "anti-everything shield" in terms of politicians dodging being held to account for their stupidity. The civil service isn't such a problem as Labour is basically pledge to actually fund their departments whilst the tories villify them or just cut their funding.
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    (Original post by generallee)
    That is good party politics but from the country's point of view, terrible.

    More, if Labour does win the next election they will still inherit the consequences of "the mess", so they will have a foundering economy and appalling public finances as a backdrop to government.

    Since they will also have to contend with opposition from big business, the civil service, and the media (the entire establishment in other words) it is hard to see how any future Corbyn Government will be anything other than a disaster.

    Winning an election as a populist is the relatively easy part. Successfully governing in the teeth of a gale of opposition something else. Ask Trump.
    But what realistically can Labour do? The majority of its voters think Brexit was a terrible event but a substantial majority think it was wonderful. There's no way you can reach an agreement acceptable to both.

    What unites Labour voters, both Brexiters and remainers is a desire for greater public spending, investment, union powers, worker rights etc. Brexit divides them.
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    I don't think Theresa May should resign as the government is currently going through the Brexit process and it would be a disaster if there were a new Prime Minister to be elected. She should stay on and continue with the Brexit negotiations because she signed up for it and it is her responsibility now to get the best possible deal for the United Kingdom. After we are fully out of the EU, the Tories should try and go for a new running PM.
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    Personally i don't buy the gloom about the final Brexit deal being so damaging to the Tories, conversely i think the negotiations are by far the most damaging aspect themselves.

    When we actually get a deal i think that the only roadblock will be the divorce settlement if it really is May's intent to leave the single market and customs union. Firms which are going to leave are already leaving, they are not sticking around to leave en mass come the final decision.

    I suspect the 2019-2024 parliament will dissapoitnt because among st all the opportunities there is an enormous amount of law and regulation to evaluate which will take parliaments time and also it will take a while before any opportunities we do exploit yield real fruit so it's probable that economic growth won't be stellar and without a more ambitious chancellor we may still have a deficit.

    In essence (assuming the Lib Dem's stay weak and we retain two party politics) i think it's entirely possible that the Tories could win a 2019 general election (helped by sterling likely appreciating once the ink is dry and we have certainty again) but find themselves in a similar picture to now where most of what they are doing will be Brexit related with no real pay-off.

    The prize from Brexit for a Prime Minister is the 2024-2029 parliament because by then they'll be yielding some fruit if they've made use of the opportunities available.

    *I still consider a 2019 election highly likely. While the Lib Dem's are wrong to call for a referendum i find it unlikely that government won't seek some kind of approval on the deal.
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    (Original post by ByEeek)
    I love your optimism. My prediction is that the Tories will lose the next election by a landslide. A combination of a terrible Brexit deal (nothing has been achieved 6 months in), domestic affairs getting even worse than they are now and 5 years of incompetant leadership and infighting will make the Tories unelectable.
    I personally doubt it - corbyn just doesnt have the cross appeal with normally conservative for a landslide victory.. He could certianly win though, but its never going to be blair-esque
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    (Original post by DrMemegood)
    Supposedly a lot of Tories want her to resign and a few former ministers have said openly that she should resign. What do you guys think?
    Definitely Tedious Theresa is not PM material , Strong & stable slogan is a joke , She is more Week & Wobbly. Brexit she's lost every thing . Another GE is just round the corner
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    Yes, she is just ****, doing nothing about the housing crisis, making the NHS weak, and cutting the police budget when terrorism is on the rise.
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    Yes.

    Oxford needs to get its 28th British prime minster.

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    (Original post by fallen_acorns)
    I personally doubt it - corbyn just doesnt have the cross appeal with normally conservative for a landslide victory.. He could certianly win though, but its never going to be blair-esque
    I didn't say Corbyn would win by a landslide. I said May would lose by a landslide. Slightly different things.
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    (Original post by The RAR)
    Yes, she is just ****, doing nothing about the housing crisis, making the NHS weak, and cutting the police budget when terrorism is on the rise.
    The Police budget mainly fell in the 2010-2015 parliament with specialist officers increasing in numbers since (and massive funding for the intelligence services). This suggests strongly that it was a Lib Dem/Treasury policy to cut the police as opposed to something May wanted.

    There are many reasons to dislike her but i don't buy that one.

    (Original post by ByEeek)
    I didn't say Corbyn would win by a landslide. I said May would lose by a landslide. Slightly different things.
    Your living in a 74-15 electoral world i think. Without a significant resurgence in support for a third party it's unlikely that the Tory vote will collapse significantly enough for that to occur now that we have re-entered two party politics. Even now with people like yourself and BB thinking that the next election is a shoe in for Labour, polling suggests that the result is basically just a switch of the 2017 result (i.e. the Tories still likely to hold 40% of the vote and Labour probably shy of a majority given their inefficient vote distribution).

    It's quite amazing that we've seen a return to pre-1974 politics electorally. The two parties took 83% of the vote at the election when beforehand we'd seen a steady decline into the low 60's.
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    (Original post by ByEeek)
    I didn't say Corbyn would win by a landslide. I said May would lose by a landslide. Slightly different things.
    Rakas pretty much summed up my reply above.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    The Police budget mainly fell in the 2010-2015 parliament with specialist officers increasing in numbers since (and massive funding for the intelligence services). This suggests strongly that it was a Lib Dem/Treasury policy to cut the police as opposed to something May wanted.

    There are many reasons to dislike her but i don't buy that one.



    Your living in a 74-15 electoral world i think. Without a significant resurgence in support for a third party it's unlikely that the Tory vote will collapse significantly enough for that to occur now that we have re-entered two party politics. Even now with people like yourself and BB thinking that the next election is a shoe in for Labour, polling suggests that the result is basically just a switch of the 2017 result (i.e. the Tories still likely to hold 40% of the vote and Labour probably shy of a majority given their inefficient vote distribution).

    It's quite amazing that we've seen a return to pre-1974 politics electorally. The two parties took 83% of the vote at the election when beforehand we'd seen a steady decline into the low 60's.
    I don't think Labour are a shoe in, but I do think you're underestimating Labour and overestimating the Tories chances.

    It's not so much to do without Corbyn but there are clear signs the country is becoming increasingly keen for more Keynesian/Scandinavian economics. A mass house building programme, lifting the public sector pay cap, investment into public services and renationalisations of key industries.

    There's a reason the Tories have lost the youth vote and even the middle aged vote.

    If you elect Rees Mogg or Boris Johnson however, then it would be an absolute gift to Labour.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Your living in a 74-15 electoral world i think.
    If you say so. What I do remember was the infighting, backstabbing and sleeze of the 90s. The Tories seem to be reverting to form.

    Meanwhile, on policy they seem to be following Labour rather than setting their own agenda. And whilst all this nothingness is going on policy-wise, they are steadily screwing up Brexit. It is the perfect storm.

    Meanwhile, nothing sticks to Corbyn. However much you discount him (and I'm probably in that group) he bucks the trend. Interesting times lie ahead.
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    No.

    This country needs to be led sensibly - so she must stay. We do not need a leadership challenge, where the party puts themselves before country during Brexit negotiations. It's not helpful and it's unnecessary.
 
 
 
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