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    (Original post by Spratty)
    It has been two weeks of university, and although I am enjoying my course i would not justify the cost at 9250. In every lecture it has been powerpoint after powerpoint. Honestly I could self-teach myself most of the content that they have taught us in the first year.

    They have literally no excuse to be charging students the absolute top rate of tuiton fees, especially when the teaching methods are sub par. It's ridiculous.
    Uni is the biggest rip off you will come across in your young adult life. Unless you do a course where you use a lot of specialist equipment like a medical degree or something in science or engineering you're just completely ripped off. My course literally the lecturers could send us the slides to the powerpoints and I could teach it to myself. The only thing I actually seem to get out of paying is access to materials in the library and it's certainly not worth £9k
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    (Original post by Spratty)
    Thats true, however they're paid a salary for lecturing which is quite high. At the very least they could do something other than reading off powerpoint slides.
    It depends what you're studying, too. Some subjects have certain things that are required to be covered regardless. For example, I study Law. There are seven core modules that I have to pass for my degree to be worth anything. And they have to be taught a certain way. That's not my uni's fault and they can't change it. My core seven is the same as at Oxford or Lincoln. It's the additional modules where things get interesting and make the difference.

    So, yes, if you're like me you might well be learning by rote or stuff you can teach yourself. Next year, though, I start to specialise and will do so with the assistance of world-clasd academics doing leading research in their fields. That's worth £28k to me.
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    (Original post by Spratty)
    Thats true, however they're paid a salary for lecturing which is quite high.
    Not really, they're paid to do research and write papers. Lecturing is something that they all gotta do on the side, but really don't want to.

    They're preaching to theaters of sometimes hundreds of people, what do you expect them to do? Hand-hold every single person through the course like it's a primary school? That's not possible with the volume of students.
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    (Original post by Spratty)
    Why would I transfer university when the cost is same everywhere?
    In Scotland uni is free for Scottish students 🐸☕️
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    This scene from Good Will Hunting sums it up best.

    The key quote is "You bombed 150k on an education you could have got for $1.50 in late charges at the public library." Savage.
    I loved that film!
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    (Original post by Cubone-r)
    You mean like creating course content, coordinating courses, running tutorials/seminars/workshops, marking high volumes of assignments, supervising undergraduate/postgraduate students, running departments (if they are heads), etc?

    The reason why the salary is high is because being a researcher/lecturer in any field is a highly skilled job that requires a lot of studying and practical experience, most of the time requiring 6+ years of commitment - you can't just pull a random guy off the street to effectively deliver a CS module, for example.

    Yes, tuitions fees are high, but who else is going to pay for them?
    My brother is currently doing the same course as me, Computer Science, and at the same university. He is in his third year. Keep in mind that this university was rated "gold" in teaching excellence.

    The course content (ie. power point slides) is exactly the same as it was two years ago. None of my lecturers mark assignments. There is only one head of department, and tens of other teaching staff.

    The teaching is literally done off powerpoint slides... its not even teaching at this point, it's all self taught.
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    Not really, they're paid to do research and write papers. Lecturing is something that they all gotta do on the side, but really don't want to.

    They're preaching to theaters of sometimes hundreds of people, what do you expect them to do? Hand-hold every single person through the course like it's a primary school? That's not possible with the volume of students.
    I suppose thats true. However, when they're delivering the exact same content every year...
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    (Original post by Spratty)
    My brother is currently doing the same course as me, Computer Science, and at the same university. He is in his third year. Keep in mind that this university was rated "gold" in teaching excellence.

    The course content (ie. power point slides) is exactly the same as it was two years ago. None of my lecturers mark assignments. There is only one head of department, and tens of other teaching staff.

    The teaching is literally done off powerpoint slides... its not even teaching at this point, it's all self taught.
    You're doing a CS degree. What do you expect?

    You can learn a CS degree and most other degrees at a library.
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    (Original post by Spratty)
    My brother is currently doing the same course as me, Computer Science, and at the same university. He is in his third year. Keep in mind that this university was rated "gold" in teaching excellence.

    The course content (ie. power point slides) is exactly the same as it was two years ago. None of my lecturers mark assignments. There is only one head of department, and tens of other teaching staff.

    The teaching is literally done off powerpoint slides... its not even teaching at this point, it's all self taught.
    Well same here, I think most unis deliver powerpoint lectures for most courses (other than maths courses). They expect you to read it and learn it in your own time. People who succeed at uni are good at being self taught. Lecturers are there for further questions if you don't get some things on your own.
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    (Original post by Spratty)
    It has been two weeks of university, and although I am enjoying my course i would not justify the cost at 9250. In every lecture it has been powerpoint after powerpoint. Honestly I could self-teach myself most of the content that they have taught us in the first year.

    They have literally no excuse to be charging students the absolute top rate of tuiton fees, especially when the teaching methods are sub par. It's ridiculous.
    You're not paying £9,250 - You're paying £27, 750

    In fact if youre tuition is paid for via SFE, you havent paid anything yet.

    You're also unlikely to pay all of it back, so stop whinging

    Anyway, you are meant to self-teach at university. Are you wanting to be spoon-fed everything like at GCSE and A-Level?
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    (Original post by shameful_burrito)
    In Scotland uni is free for Scottish students 🐸☕️
    Subsidised by the English taxpayer*

    Scotland only has around 2 million permanent taxpayers, it couldn't afford it on its own.
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    You're not paying £9,250 - You're paying £27, 750

    In fact if youre tuition is paid for via SFE, you havent paid anything yet.

    You're also unlikely to pay all of it back, so stop whinging

    Anyway, you are meant to self-teach at university. Are you wanting to be spoon-fed everything like at GCSE and A-Level?

    I meant 9250 per year. I know that I am unlikely to pay all of it back, however I still pay back a significant amount of that cost.

    Also I'm not whinging. I'm trying to see if there is any way in which £9250 a year can be justified by what I have experienced so far at university. I thought this was a forum for students where opinions can be made? Get off your high horse.

    I know that I'm meant to self teach. If you bothered to read my post the point I was making was that they don't vary the teaching methods, teaching style, etc. It is just powerpoint after powerpoint and £9250 per YEAR cannot be justified for this.
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    (Original post by Spratty)
    I meant 9250 per year. I know that I am unlikely to pay all of it back, however I still pay back a significant amount of that cost.

    Also I'm not whinging. I'm trying to see if there is any way in which £9250 a year can be justified by what I have experienced so far at university. I thought this was a forum for students where opinions can be made? Get off your high horse.

    I know that I'm meant to self teach. If you bothered to read my post the point I was making was that they don't vary the teaching methods, teaching style, etc. It is just powerpoint after powerpoint and £9250 per YEAR cannot be justified for this.
    If you don't think its justified, drop out and stop giving them your money then.
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    (Original post by Jack22031994)
    Subsidised by the English taxpayer*

    Scotland only has around 2 million permanent taxpayers, it couldn't afford it on its own.
    Minor details...the end outcome is what truly matters.
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    (Original post by Jack22031994)
    If you don't think its justified, drop out and stop giving them your money then.
    No, because society dictates that I need a sheet of paper in order to get a graduate level position. I guess thats where the value comes from, right?
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    (Original post by Spratty)
    No, because society dictates that I need a sheet of paper in order to get a graduate level position. I guess thats where the value comes from, right?
    Unfortunetly you are right
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    (Original post by Spratty)
    No, because society dictates that I need a sheet of paper in order to get a graduate level position. I guess thats where the value comes from, right?
    Yes, to get a graduate level position you generally have to be a graduate, you're right.

    So you're doing it to get what you want in the end, so you are justifying its worth?
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    (Original post by Jack22031994)
    Yes, to get a graduate level position you generally have to be a graduate, you're right.

    So you're doing it to get what you want in the end, so you are justifying its worth?
    I am saying that this piece of paper is a confirmation that I have learnt these skills. Thats where the value comes from. Not the teaching.
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    (Original post by Hippysnake)
    Rubbish. If the aim of universities was to get people into jobs they wanted they'd scrap 80% of their courses and you'd be left with a mixture of STEM and other core disciplines. The mere fact that in the face of poor employment prospects for some degrees, universities continue to offer them should raise alarm bells that perhaps the best interests of their students are not at heart.
    If they remove irrelevent courses on funding, wouldn't they just go around the rules and use the funding they get from STEM and other core disciplines making less places available all together?
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    (Original post by Spratty)
    I am saying that this piece of paper is a confirmation that I have learnt these skills. Thats where the value comes from. Not the teaching.
    If you succeed in getting the required classification to do what you want, then the teaching must have been at that the required standard then?
 
 
 
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