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    (Original post by Spratty)
    Would be nice being a lecturer. 2-5 hours "teaching" a week, 30k+ salary.
    I hope this isn't a serious comment. The face-to-face teaching is a small proportion of all of the "teaching" component of a lecturer's job, which, in turn, is usually not the largest part of their role.

    (Original post by Spratty)
    Why would I transfer university when the cost is same everywhere?
    If you don't like the way your course is taught, a similar course elsewhere might be done differently.


    On a general note, you don't just pay for your lecturers/contact time. Think about all the other stuff involved in the university...use of equipment for example, licenses for computer software can be crazily expensive. Library stock, including access to (online) journals which can cost the library millions of pounds per year. Non-lecturing staff: security, library, IT, cleaners, etc. Maintenance, utilities. Research costs. The list goes on.

    My favourite analogy for this type of question though, is this: When you join a gym, paying the membership doesn't make you automatically fit. You get access to the equipment and the people who can help you...but ultimately it's your work that gets you what you want.
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    Very Little. works out as £45 per lecture approx for my course. in third year and there is still 270 of us... these lecturers must be raking it in... someone is anyway...

    A very expensive stamp of approval.
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    (Original post by Klendaarin)
    Very Little. works out as £45 per lecture approx for my course. in third year and there is still 270 of us... these lecturers must be raking it in... someone is anyway...
    You do realise that you're not just paying for lectures, don't you?! International fee payers subsidise your courses.
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    I absolutely agree that the fees are outrageous, but then again, the OP (and anyone else who feels they're not getting enough bang for their buck) could study abroad for free, or via distance learning. The Open University and Uni of London for example both offer distance learning Computer Science degrees, the fees are significantly less than 'brick' uni fees.

    (Original post by crosssafley)
    Every course 9250 even the useless ones like african studies
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    True
    Fluency in an African language (Amharic, Hausa, Somali, Swahili, Yoruba or Zulu) is not useless, it's a much more useful skill than anything you'd learn on a standard Biology or English degree. African Studies (and other niche area studies students) are effectively getting one-on-one language tuition for three/four years - not bad at all.
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    (Original post by RogerOxon)
    The UCs are cheaper, but a Master's is 6 years, so it works out about the same. The private universities cost more per year (without aid), and all require high GPA and EC hoop-jumping. UK universities offer far more focused courses and only really care about APs, so are better for students that focus on a smaller range of subjects that they enjoy. In the UK, you get to do 'A' levels from 16, but in the US, you're still doing at least English and History / Economics, / Civics etc, regardless of if it interests you.
    True. The EC hoop jumping that one has to do in order to get in is very annoying.

    American universities want well-rounded students but the British ones just want people who specialise in one thing.
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    (Original post by EmmaRebecca1997)
    Uni is the biggest rip off you will come across in your young adult life. Unless you do a course where you use a lot of specialist equipment like a medical degree or something in science or engineering you're just completely ripped off. My course literally the lecturers could send us the slides to the powerpoints and I could teach it to myself. The only thing I actually seem to get out of paying is access to materials in the library and it's certainly not worth £9k
    Working 9 to 5 until death is the biggest rip off, trading 5 days of slavery for 2 days of freedom. If you're "free" after you're 70, you can't buy back time with your money. Start an online business.
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    (Original post by Spratty)
    It has been two weeks of university, and although I am enjoying my course i would not justify the cost at 9250. In every lecture it has been powerpoint after powerpoint. Honestly I could self-teach myself most of the content that they have taught us in the first year.

    They have literally no excuse to be charging students the absolute top rate of tuiton fees, especially when the teaching methods are sub par. It's ridiculous.
    The Government on both sides has treated young people as mugs.

    If you think it is ridiculous to pay 9250 for your course, imagine the international student that has to pay about 27,000 for the same mediocre course every year.
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    (Original post by Naomibill)
    A professor might talk for an hour once a week to 200 students but the rest of the work, workshops, seminars, marking essays, tutorials, answering questions etc will be done by someone else who probably will not have a doctorate. It is those people who are really teaching you. Professors do not have the time to do those things because they do research and run departments. This is the way universities work.
    This varies depending on your university and course. during my undergraduate all of our lecturers were professors, although sometimes seminars were run by masters and Phd students they were also often taught by the professors as well. All questions about a module went to the professor who would answer them and marking was done by them as well as a team of post grads. My personal supervisors were professors as well.

    I really depends on how your department is set up.
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    anyone else getting sick of these threads popping up everyweek?

    TLDR for every one of these threads: someone is ignorant to the sheer enormity of costs of running a university and providing everything they give to you (seriously this time its a computer science student? your probably getting near to the most bang for your buck between software and hardware costs for all the speciality labs you have). people will explain it but others will bullheadedly ignore it and then complain that they don't get enough attention from their lecturers. People try to explain the actual role of lecturers but yet more people will bullheadedly ignore it. and because this is 'The Student Room' there will be two side arguments going on about redbrick/oxbridge/russel group Unis and another about 'soft' vs 'hard' subjects.

    seriously if anyone has any *new* arguments as to why its not worth it I'm all ears.
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    (Original post by Zactopus)
    anyone else getting sick of these threads popping up everyweek?

    TLDR for every one of these threads: someone is ignorant to the sheer enormity of costs of running a university and providing everything they give to you (seriously this time its a computer science student? your probably getting near to the most bang for your buck between software and hardware costs for all the speciality labs you have). people will explain it but others will bullheadedly ignore it and then complain that they don't get enough attention from their lecturers. People try to explain the actual role of lecturers but yet more people will bullheadedly ignore it. and because this is 'The Student Room' there will be two side arguments going on about redbrick/oxbridge/russel group Unis and another about 'soft' vs 'hard' subjects.

    seriously if anyone has any *new* arguments as to why its not worth it I'm all ears.
    If you dont want to be bothered by these types of threads then just ignore and move on. Why do you have to get your panty in a twist by getting unnecessarily worked up?

    The OP clearly does not think that his uni course is value for money and is allowed to vent about it.

    As it has been written on many previous threads, if you go to a decent uni e.g. Oxbridge, the Big 8 and so on, then you are mostly lucky to be having a decent education. Else, it is very iffy.

    I know someone who paid 9k per year for her course, got a first and applied to many jobs in her field. Unfortunately, could not get a job and had to apply for jobs in other fields.
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    (Original post by returnmigrant)
    Many of you are being incredibly naive. You dont just pay for x number of teaching hours.

    You pay for .... the library and all its books/staff/IT facilities, your teaching rooms/lecture theatres/labs, refectories/cafes/common rooms, gyms/sports halls/playing fields, medical/counselling/health facilities, an accommodation service, a careers service, an IT service, Faculty/Dept/School offices and all the staff, cleaners/porters/security staff - and all the thousand and one other things you would expect there to be. Because all of you would whinge like crazy if these things were NOT there, right?
    Hear, hear


    (well, paying for that and the lack of government investment in unis)
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    And we can actually consider ourselves lucky for paying 9250£. Think of all the non EU students who have to pay 21000£ per year and they can't even get loans.
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    Same degree courses if we do in affiliated colleges they charging half of it I’m doing LLB and uni and paying full fee and for same course my friend studying in college and paying £5400 per year Ridiculous fees by unis
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    hi guy I am in need of help for me further my education if cn help from anybody
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    (Original post by ChrisN)
    What are you studying? I always feel it is unfair how the expensive courses to deliver (like medicine/engineering) are essentially subsidised by students on more light touch courses. They don’t really explain that to you beforehand...
    It's the other way round. Your contribution to the educational system will be via the repayments you make and most grads don't pay back their full student loan. People who do medicine/engineering will earn more and therefore pay more than people doing 'light touch' courses. Hence, they are paying more towards the educational system than you.
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    Well-here's the opinion from an overseas student (who feels unwelcomed just because of the tuition fee alone) planning to study in the uk:

    tuition fee=lectures, seminars, other stuff you are required to attend, etc. + lecturers and staff whom you can talk and ask questions to and discuss things with + assignments and exams which push me to study harder than I'd probably do if self-studying + (for some people) free time for projects (free time costs money obv) + (for some people) just a chance to do what they like and be with people alike.

    Courses with low rate of employment still need to exist because some people like them and they pay money for the time to pursue something in that field, and just to meet people with similar interests. Seriously that is like screening people for the financial ability and dedication to continue to pursue in that field even after leaving uni, which is why you need to be absolutely sure about the course you end up getting a certification in.

    There are jobs that don't require a piece of paper as a conformation for the skills. There are also scholarships and bursaries for those whom society think are talented or 'worthy'.

    Student loan is not really available for me so most likely I'll get help from parents and get a another loan as well, and I'm not paying large amounts back after uni, though.
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    (Original post by niteninja1)
    All of the lecturers at my uni are required to have a PhD I though that was a standard
    lecturers on my course don't require a degree. Since a lot of people in the games industry are self taught. They just require loads of experience and oscars / baftas n sh*t.
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    Take a look at other Universities in Europe that teach in English. You'll be surprised at the fees.
    However if you have been educated at schools in the UK the "normal" next step is a University in the UK.

    Why they charge such high fees is not a single answer question. One answer could be that they charge what they can get away with. You will be in substantial debt when you leave University so you better get a high paying job so that you can pay off your student debt before other life expenses come along as you age.

    Apart from the USA, the UK probably has some of the highest University fees in the world. It could be described as a bit like a credit card. You will not associate the spending with reality until you have to pay it back.

    Good luck if you want to spend the start of your working life with a substantial debt. It will be hanging over your head for many years and will be collected, one way or another by ruthless organisations who spend a fortune on PR to make you think they are doing you a favour.

    They are money lenders. Plain and simple. They take advantage of vulnerable people at a vulnerable point in their lives.

    Once you are on the debt treadmill it can be difficult to get off. Approach with extreme caution.
 
 
 
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