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    The current government look increasingly set on trying to get nowhere in the Brexit negotiations. They are dominated by the idiocy of hard Brexit MPs. According to a recent story, the activities of just one corporation, Tate & Lyle, which opposes the EU because it prefers to use European rather than Caribbean sugar, have had a marked effect on the whole Brexit issue. Lord Ashcroft, who funded the Brexit campaign from his bolt hole in Belize, also selected and paid for the campaigns of many of those MPs who pressed Cameron for a referendum - Lord Ashcroft is a long running ally of Tate and Lyle, who also sponsor the Tory conference.
    http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2017/10...ary-wednesday/

    So there we have it. We are leaving the EU primarily to support the profit margin of Tate and Lyle and to keep Lord Aschcroft's dirty little game from failing.

    I am sad, because it will destroy the UK as we know it and they simply don't care. :cry2:

    We face a future with many of our leading industries in a state of collapse, with no serious hope of improvement and with more limited prospects for our graduates and others. Prices will be higher, jobs will disappear and there will be a massive and continuous deep depression.

    Many of those, like Ashcroft and Farage, who created this situation, are not even resident in the UK.

    It will not be possible to replace the trade lost with the EU as tariff barriers go up.

    The splitting of the UK will become even more inevitable.
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      We're a bad influence on the EU, we've always been happy to undermine our European brethren for outside interests (usually American, but recently for Chinese investment).

      On top of that, if we're going to turn into a mini US, it is better for the EU as a whole that the gangrenous arm is amputated before it spreads.

      Shame we can't also drag Ireland out, since they are happily aiding big corporations in their efforts to dodge their rightful taxes in the single market.
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      (Original post by Mathemagicien)
      We're a bad influence on the EU, we've always been happy to undermine our European brethren for outside interests (usually American, but recently for Chinese investment).

      On top of that, if we're going to turn into a mini US, it is better for the EU as a whole that the gangrenous arm is amputated before it spreads.

      Shame we can't also drag Ireland out, since they are happily aiding big corporations in their efforts to dodge their rightful taxes in the single market.
      A mini US? Is that the desired outcome then?

      Let's review that shall we. What's on offer?

      - collapsed public infrastructure
      - decrepit hospitals serving the poor, staggeringly expensive and glossy ones serving the rich at inflated prices
      - guns and drugs running amok
      - 1 in 10 US citizens is currently taking some form of opiate (from Louis Theroux's Dark States programme last night)
      - a maniac in charge (actually, we are already close to ticking that box)
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      who else just wants to cease to exist XDDD
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        (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
        A mini US? Is that the desired outcome then?

        Let's review that shall we. What's on offer?

        - collapsed public infrastructure
        - decrepit hospitals serving the poor, staggeringly expensive and glossy ones serving the rich at inflated prices
        - guns and drugs running amok
        - 1 in 10 US citizens is currently taking some form of opiate (from Louis Theroux's Dark States programme last night)
        - a maniac in charge (actually, we are already close to ticking that box)
        Sounds about right, except rather obviously guns and drugs, where we are the opposite extreme (in terms of policing).

        But those aren't the most scary similarities.
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          (Original post by babsxox)
          who else just wants to cease to exist XDDD
          Around 2000 people every year in the UK, IIRC.
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          (Original post by Mathemagicien)
          Around 2000 people every year in the UK, IIRC.
          No, that's people who a) don't want to exist and b) are organised.
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            (Original post by Notorious_B.I.G.)
            No, that's people who a) don't want to exist and b) are organised.
            My statement is misleading but still technically accurate, if you want to be pedantic. I have two legs, but I also have one leg.
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            The vote to leave was abandoning economic readon, believing it was worth being poorer to reduce migration by at most 50000 a year.
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            (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
            What's on offer?

            - collapsed public infrastructure no change there, then
            - decrepit hospitals serving the poor, staggeringly expensive and glossy ones serving the rich at inflated prices no change there, then
            - a maniac in charge (actually, we are already close to ticking that box)no change there, then, no matter which party is in charge
            Basically as a case of as you were
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            (Original post by Mathemagicien)
            My statement is misleading but still technically accurate, if you want to be pedantic. I have two legs, but I also have one leg.
            Aye, but you never meant it in that technically accurate sense. You were trying to state the complete numbers.
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              (Original post by Notorious_B.I.G.)
              Aye, but you never meant it in that technically accurate sense. You were trying to state the complete numbers.
              Who knew jokes about suicide could be such minefields?
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              Rule Britannia?
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              (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
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              The current government look increasingly set on trying to get nowhere in the Brexit negotiations. They are dominated by the idiocy of hard Brexit MPs. According to a recent story, the activities of just one corporation, Tate & Lyle, which opposes the EU because it prefers to use European rather than Caribbean sugar, have had a marked effect on the whole Brexit issue. Lord Ashcroft, who funded the Brexit campaign from his bolt hole in Belize, also selected and paid for the campaigns of many of those MPs who pressed Cameron for a referendum - Lord Ashcroft is a long running ally of Tate and Lyle, who also sponsor the Tory conference.
              http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2017/10...ary-wednesday/

              So there we have it. We are leaving the EU primarily to support the profit margin of Tate and Lyle and to keep Lord Aschcroft's dirty little game from failing.

              I am sad, because it will destroy the UK as we know it and they simply don't care. :cry2:

              We face a future with many of our leading industries in a state of collapse, with no serious hope of improvement and with more limited prospects for our graduates and others. Prices will be higher, jobs will disappear and there will be a massive and continuous deep depression.

              Many of those, like Ashcroft and Farage, who created this situation, are not even resident in the UK.

              It will not be possible to replace the trade lost with the EU as tariff barriers go up.

              The splitting of the UK will become even more inevitable.
              No, we are leaving the EU because we, the British electorate, voted to leave it.

              Best to be optimistic, plenty of countries are outside the EU and are doing very well. Canada, Australia etc...

              There are also advantages such as removing freedom of movement, and being an independent, sovereign nation that isn't governed by Brussels
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              (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
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              The current government look increasingly set on trying to get nowhere in the Brexit negotiations. They are dominated by the idiocy of hard Brexit MPs. According to a recent story, the activities of just one corporation, Tate & Lyle, which opposes the EU because it prefers to use European rather than Caribbean sugar, have had a marked effect on the whole Brexit issue. Lord Ashcroft, who funded the Brexit campaign from his bolt hole in Belize, also selected and paid for the campaigns of many of those MPs who pressed Cameron for a referendum - Lord Ashcroft is a long running ally of Tate and Lyle, who also sponsor the Tory conference.
              http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2017/10...ary-wednesday/

              So there we have it. We are leaving the EU primarily to support the profit margin of Tate and Lyle and to keep Lord Aschcroft's dirty little game from failing.

              I am sad, because it will destroy the UK as we know it and they simply don't care. :cry2:

              We face a future with many of our leading industries in a state of collapse, with no serious hope of improvement and with more limited prospects for our graduates and others. Prices will be higher, jobs will disappear and there will be a massive and continuous deep depression.

              Many of those, like Ashcroft and Farage, who created this situation, are not even resident in the UK.

              It will not be possible to replace the trade lost with the EU as tariff barriers go up.

              The splitting of the UK will become even more inevitable.
              We are leaving the EU BECAUSE THE COUNTRY VOTED FOR IT.
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              We are leaving the EU BECAUSE THE COUNTRY VOTED FOR IT.
              They voted it for it because THEY WERE SERIOUSLY MISLED AND MANIPULATED BY PEOPLE WHO HAVE NO INTEREST IN THEIR WELFARE.

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              (Original post by astutehirstute)
              We are leaving the EU BECAUSE THE COUNTRY VOTED FOR IT.
              It's increasingly looking like Corbyn may well be the main benefactor of us leaving the EU should he be elected. A whole host of new powers and freedom from the ECJ and EU Competition Law will allow him to pretty much nationalise what he wants to.

              Who would have thought that Brexit meant we could have a genuinely Socialist government?
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              Who would have thought that Brexit meant we could have a genuinely Socialist government?
              Yes indeed, hardly the outcome that fanatics like Hannan or refugees from the Monday Club like Farage imagined.

              I am actually pretty confident now that an alliance of big business and regretful post-Brexiteers on the Right are about to send the grey men to visit Davies and May and demand the whole thing be put on hold. That's also suspected on the Hard Right, which is why miscellaneous barking people like Liam Fox, the ridiculous Rees-Mogg and others are slaveringly demanding that May go, before they totally lose their control over the current descent into madness.
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              (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
              Yes indeed, hardly the outcome that fanatics like Hannan or refugees from the Monday Club like Farage imagined.

              I am actually pretty confident now that an alliance of big business and regretful post-Brexiteers on the Right are about to send the grey men to visit Davies and May and demand the whole thing be put on hold. That's also suspected on the Hard Right, which is why miscellaneous barking people like Liam Fox, the ridiculous Rees-Mogg and others are slaveringly demanding that May go, before they totally lose their control over the current descent into madness.
              None of the leaders of the leave campaign had in mind a Brexit with Jeremy Corbyn being Prime Minister at the end of it.

              It will be interesting to see whether the likes of Dan Hannan, Rees Mogg and Liam Fox react if it is Corbyn using all these extra powers, rather than them. Surely they could have no complaints.

              The one body that could stop Corbyn nationalising various industries would have been the ECJ.
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              (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
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              The current government look increasingly set on trying to get nowhere in the Brexit negotiations. They are dominated by the idiocy of hard Brexit MPs. According to a recent story, the activities of just one corporation, Tate & Lyle, which opposes the EU because it prefers to use European rather than Caribbean sugar, have had a marked effect on the whole Brexit issue. Lord Ashcroft, who funded the Brexit campaign from his bolt hole in Belize, also selected and paid for the campaigns of many of those MPs who pressed Cameron for a referendum - Lord Ashcroft is a long running ally of Tate and Lyle, who also sponsor the Tory conference.
              http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2017/10...ary-wednesday/

              So there we have it. We are leaving the EU primarily to support the profit margin of Tate and Lyle and to keep Lord Aschcroft's dirty little game from failing.

              I am sad, because it will destroy the UK as we know it and they simply don't care. :cry2:

              We face a future with many of our leading industries in a state of collapse, with no serious hope of improvement and with more limited prospects for our graduates and others. Prices will be higher, jobs will disappear and there will be a massive and continuous deep depression.

              Many of those, like Ashcroft and Farage, who created this situation, are not even resident in the UK.

              It will not be possible to replace the trade lost with the EU as tariff barriers go up.

              The splitting of the UK will become even more inevitable.
              Sorry, what?

              We have made progress in all sorts of different areas, there will probably be a deal of sorts.

              No deal will be a logistical issue no doubt, but how much trade do people think we will possibly lose?

              It’s all way over hyped
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