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    The current government look increasingly set on trying to get nowhere in the Brexit negotiations. They are dominated by the idiocy of hard Brexit MPs. According to a recent story, the activities of just one corporation, Tate & Lyle, which opposes the EU because it prefers to use European rather than Caribbean sugar, have had a marked effect on the whole Brexit issue. Lord Ashcroft, who funded the Brexit campaign from his bolt hole in Belize, also selected and paid for the campaigns of many of those MPs who pressed Cameron for a referendum - Lord Ashcroft is a long running ally of Tate and Lyle, who also sponsor the Tory conference.
    http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2017/10...ary-wednesday/

    So there we have it. We are leaving the EU primarily to support the profit margin of Tate and Lyle and to keep Lord Aschcroft's dirty little game from failing.

    I am sad, because it will destroy the UK as we know it and they simply don't care. :cry2:

    We face a future with many of our leading industries in a state of collapse, with no serious hope of improvement and with more limited prospects for our graduates and others. Prices will be higher, jobs will disappear and there will be a massive and continuous deep depression.

    Many of those, like Ashcroft and Farage, who created this situation, are not even resident in the UK.

    It will not be possible to replace the trade lost with the EU as tariff barriers go up.

    The splitting of the UK will become even more inevitable.
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    We're a bad influence on the EU, we've always been happy to undermine our European brethren for outside interests (usually American, but recently for Chinese investment).

    On top of that, if we're going to turn into a mini US, it is better for the EU as a whole that the gangrenous arm is amputated before it spreads.

    Shame we can't also drag Ireland out, since they are happily aiding big corporations in their efforts to dodge their rightful taxes in the single market.
    A mini US? Is that the desired outcome then?

    Let's review that shall we. What's on offer?

    - collapsed public infrastructure
    - decrepit hospitals serving the poor, staggeringly expensive and glossy ones serving the rich at inflated prices
    - guns and drugs running amok
    - 1 in 10 US citizens is currently taking some form of opiate (from Louis Theroux's Dark States programme last night)
    - a maniac in charge (actually, we are already close to ticking that box)
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    who else just wants to cease to exist XDDD
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    Around 2000 people every year in the UK, IIRC.
    No, that's people who a) don't want to exist and b) are organised.
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    The vote to leave was abandoning economic readon, believing it was worth being poorer to reduce migration by at most 50000 a year.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    What's on offer?

    - collapsed public infrastructure no change there, then
    - decrepit hospitals serving the poor, staggeringly expensive and glossy ones serving the rich at inflated prices no change there, then
    - a maniac in charge (actually, we are already close to ticking that box)no change there, then, no matter which party is in charge
    Basically as a case of as you were
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    (Original post by Mathemagicien)
    My statement is misleading but still technically accurate, if you want to be pedantic. I have two legs, but I also have one leg.
    Aye, but you never meant it in that technically accurate sense. You were trying to state the complete numbers.
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    Rule Britannia?
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
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    The current government look increasingly set on trying to get nowhere in the Brexit negotiations. They are dominated by the idiocy of hard Brexit MPs. According to a recent story, the activities of just one corporation, Tate & Lyle, which opposes the EU because it prefers to use European rather than Caribbean sugar, have had a marked effect on the whole Brexit issue. Lord Ashcroft, who funded the Brexit campaign from his bolt hole in Belize, also selected and paid for the campaigns of many of those MPs who pressed Cameron for a referendum - Lord Ashcroft is a long running ally of Tate and Lyle, who also sponsor the Tory conference.
    http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2017/10...ary-wednesday/

    So there we have it. We are leaving the EU primarily to support the profit margin of Tate and Lyle and to keep Lord Aschcroft's dirty little game from failing.

    I am sad, because it will destroy the UK as we know it and they simply don't care. :cry2:

    We face a future with many of our leading industries in a state of collapse, with no serious hope of improvement and with more limited prospects for our graduates and others. Prices will be higher, jobs will disappear and there will be a massive and continuous deep depression.

    Many of those, like Ashcroft and Farage, who created this situation, are not even resident in the UK.

    It will not be possible to replace the trade lost with the EU as tariff barriers go up.

    The splitting of the UK will become even more inevitable.
    No, we are leaving the EU because we, the British electorate, voted to leave it.

    Best to be optimistic, plenty of countries are outside the EU and are doing very well. Canada, Australia etc...

    There are also advantages such as removing freedom of movement, and being an independent, sovereign nation that isn't governed by Brussels
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
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    The current government look increasingly set on trying to get nowhere in the Brexit negotiations. They are dominated by the idiocy of hard Brexit MPs. According to a recent story, the activities of just one corporation, Tate & Lyle, which opposes the EU because it prefers to use European rather than Caribbean sugar, have had a marked effect on the whole Brexit issue. Lord Ashcroft, who funded the Brexit campaign from his bolt hole in Belize, also selected and paid for the campaigns of many of those MPs who pressed Cameron for a referendum - Lord Ashcroft is a long running ally of Tate and Lyle, who also sponsor the Tory conference.
    http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2017/10...ary-wednesday/

    So there we have it. We are leaving the EU primarily to support the profit margin of Tate and Lyle and to keep Lord Aschcroft's dirty little game from failing.

    I am sad, because it will destroy the UK as we know it and they simply don't care. :cry2:

    We face a future with many of our leading industries in a state of collapse, with no serious hope of improvement and with more limited prospects for our graduates and others. Prices will be higher, jobs will disappear and there will be a massive and continuous deep depression.

    Many of those, like Ashcroft and Farage, who created this situation, are not even resident in the UK.

    It will not be possible to replace the trade lost with the EU as tariff barriers go up.

    The splitting of the UK will become even more inevitable.
    We are leaving the EU BECAUSE THE COUNTRY VOTED FOR IT.
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    (Original post by astutehirstute)
    We are leaving the EU BECAUSE THE COUNTRY VOTED FOR IT.
    They voted it for it because THEY WERE SERIOUSLY MISLED AND MANIPULATED BY PEOPLE WHO HAVE NO INTEREST IN THEIR WELFARE.

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    Since you're shouting. :teehee:
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    (Original post by astutehirstute)
    We are leaving the EU BECAUSE THE COUNTRY VOTED FOR IT.
    It's increasingly looking like Corbyn may well be the main benefactor of us leaving the EU should he be elected. A whole host of new powers and freedom from the ECJ and EU Competition Law will allow him to pretty much nationalise what he wants to.

    Who would have thought that Brexit meant we could have a genuinely Socialist government?
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Who would have thought that Brexit meant we could have a genuinely Socialist government?
    Yes indeed, hardly the outcome that fanatics like Hannan or refugees from the Monday Club like Farage imagined.

    I am actually pretty confident now that an alliance of big business and regretful post-Brexiteers on the Right are about to send the grey men to visit Davies and May and demand the whole thing be put on hold. That's also suspected on the Hard Right, which is why miscellaneous barking people like Liam Fox, the ridiculous Rees-Mogg and others are slaveringly demanding that May go, before they totally lose their control over the current descent into madness.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    Yes indeed, hardly the outcome that fanatics like Hannan or refugees from the Monday Club like Farage imagined.

    I am actually pretty confident now that an alliance of big business and regretful post-Brexiteers on the Right are about to send the grey men to visit Davies and May and demand the whole thing be put on hold. That's also suspected on the Hard Right, which is why miscellaneous barking people like Liam Fox, the ridiculous Rees-Mogg and others are slaveringly demanding that May go, before they totally lose their control over the current descent into madness.
    None of the leaders of the leave campaign had in mind a Brexit with Jeremy Corbyn being Prime Minister at the end of it.

    It will be interesting to see whether the likes of Dan Hannan, Rees Mogg and Liam Fox react if it is Corbyn using all these extra powers, rather than them. Surely they could have no complaints.

    The one body that could stop Corbyn nationalising various industries would have been the ECJ.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
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    The current government look increasingly set on trying to get nowhere in the Brexit negotiations. They are dominated by the idiocy of hard Brexit MPs. According to a recent story, the activities of just one corporation, Tate & Lyle, which opposes the EU because it prefers to use European rather than Caribbean sugar, have had a marked effect on the whole Brexit issue. Lord Ashcroft, who funded the Brexit campaign from his bolt hole in Belize, also selected and paid for the campaigns of many of those MPs who pressed Cameron for a referendum - Lord Ashcroft is a long running ally of Tate and Lyle, who also sponsor the Tory conference.
    http://lordashcroftpolls.com/2017/10...ary-wednesday/

    So there we have it. We are leaving the EU primarily to support the profit margin of Tate and Lyle and to keep Lord Aschcroft's dirty little game from failing.

    I am sad, because it will destroy the UK as we know it and they simply don't care. :cry2:

    We face a future with many of our leading industries in a state of collapse, with no serious hope of improvement and with more limited prospects for our graduates and others. Prices will be higher, jobs will disappear and there will be a massive and continuous deep depression.

    Many of those, like Ashcroft and Farage, who created this situation, are not even resident in the UK.

    It will not be possible to replace the trade lost with the EU as tariff barriers go up.

    The splitting of the UK will become even more inevitable.
    Sorry, what?

    We have made progress in all sorts of different areas, there will probably be a deal of sorts.

    No deal will be a logistical issue no doubt, but how much trade do people think we will possibly lose?

    It’s all way over hyped
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    They voted it for it because THEY WERE SERIOUSLY MISLED AND MANIPULATED BY PEOPLE WHO HAVE NO INTEREST IN THEIR WELFARE.

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    Since you're shouting. :teehee:
    That is how all democratic elections work. Politicians make their case, they exaggerate, omit things, often outright lie.

    General Elections are exactly the same. The losers don’t refuse to accept the result in those.

    If Brexit is stymied by people like you, and it is very possible, that will be the end of the very belief
    in democracy itself for a nation changing percentage of the population. Over seventeen million people voted for it, far more than any party gets to form a government. Far more than Corbyn will get, yet he is acclaimed as someone who will have the right to transform the country.

    Why should his victory be accepted? Why should any government in future be held to be legitimate?
    If the nation votes for something and it doesn’t happen because the losers refused to accept the result, why bother to vote at all in future? There are other ways to do things.

    You will have destroyed democracy to keep us close to your sh itty little political and European Union that costs us tens of billions every year, and tells us what to do every day of our lives. At best we will be a vassal state.

    Be careful what you wish for Remoaner.
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    (Original post by astutehirstute)
    That is how all democratic elections work. Politicians make their case, they exaggerate, omit things, often outright lie.

    General Elections are exactly the same. The losers don’t refuse to accept the result in those.

    If Brexit is stymied by people like you, and it is very possible, that will be the end of the very belief
    in democracy itself for a nation changing percentage of the population. Over seventeen million people voted for it, far more than any party gets to form a government. Far more than Corbyn will get, yet he is acclaimed as someone who will have the right to transform the country.

    Why should his victory be accepted? Why should any government in future be held to be legitimate?
    If the nation votes for something and it doesn’t happen because the losers refused to accept the result, why bother to vote at all in future? There are other ways to do things.

    You will have destroyed democracy to keep us close to your sh itty little political and European Union that costs us tens of billions every year, and tells us what to do every day of our lives. At best we will be a vassal state.

    Be careful what you wish for Remoaner.
    Exactly.

    How will you feel when Prime Minister Corbyn has all these new powers at his disposal?
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    (Original post by astutehirstute)

    If the nation votes for something and it doesn’t happen because the losers refused to accept the result,
    You mean like staying in Europe in 1975?

    Ask any Brexit supporting politician born in 1957 or before whether they voted "yes" or "no" in 1975; you won't find many that have changed their mind. They simply refused to accept the result. It was nothing to do with "the EU is different from the Common Market". They voted "no" in 1975 and have been campaigning against Europe ever since.
 
 
 
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