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For example, Law is going to be competitive, and the university name is going to make a big impact for the application. What other degrees are like this? Does STEM not have to worry about this too much?
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For example, Law is going to be competitive, and the university name is going to make a big impact for the application. What other degrees are like this? Does STEM not have to worry about this too much?
For medicine when you apply for F1 (first job after graduating) your medical school is hidden by law.
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For medicine when you apply for F1 (first job after graduating) your medical school is hidden by law.
Yet, bizarrely, your uni is listed on your publicly accessible GMC entry.
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For example, Law is going to be competitive, and the university name is going to make a big impact for the application. What other degrees are like this? Does STEM not have to worry about this too much?
I don't know if STEM is entirely free, just that they appear to not worry as much as Humanities.
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Yet, bizarrely, your uni is listed on your publicly accessible GMC entry.
I can't remember the full details tbh.

Also, you get a provisional registration for F1 and then full registration for F2. Not sure if there's any difference in what info can be viewed
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For most legal jobs, your university name will means sweet FA.
Probably plays a factor in getting a TC before that though, at least for Magic Circle firms. Less so outside London, obviously.
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For Civil Service Fast Stream it doesn't matter where or what your degree is in, so long as it is 2.2 plus.
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Not even at MC firms (I should know).

But even if it was MC firms that counts for less than 8% of the number of training contracts, and then there are thousands of legal jobs outside of training contracts.
Oh, really? News to me, but I'm happy to hear it. There's a common perception of elitism over MCs/universities I'd be happy to see fade.

All fair points though, I just assumed OP was referring to solicitor/barrister jobs specifically when mentioning Law.
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Yes, it is a common myth. It isn't even fading, it wasn't actually there in the first place.

This attitude is typically seen in many sectors though, but typically at the very premium end of the career spectrum. It doesn't mean it is reflective of the whole profession.
Ah, apologies - I meant the perception fading. Put me off doing Law a few years ago, and I'm sure quite a few others as well.

Is it perhaps because there are so many more Law graduates than actual places as solicitors and barristers that people begin to get the impression that only the best universities take TCs? An Oxbridge will likely have an easier time getting one than, I don't know, a Bangor graduate.
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Yes, it is a common myth. It isn't even fading, it wasn't actually there in the first place.

This attitude is typically seen in many sectors though, but typically at the very premium end of the career spectrum. It doesn't mean it is reflective of the whole profession.
It doesn't matter to you (the person collating all the relevant info together, and presenting it in a nice little file for the partners) or it doesn't matter to the partners?
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And that is half the problem, the myth actually perpetuates where people are put off by the myth itself.

The idea there are too many law graduates is a bit of a false idea too - part of the issue is assuming a law degree = you want a career in law. You could say the same of many professions though, there's more accountancy students than accountancy roles.
This is starting to tempt me towards law again, I see so many things that are exaggerated on this site which keeps putting me off certain degrees
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For law there is, people who say there isn't are wrong. Oxbridge and Durham have more barristers than the 10 unis below them combined. With London law firms Oxbridge make up 30% every year. There's only about 400 oxbridge law students that graduate every year while there is around 20,000 from every other unvieristy. I think that shows how dispropriate the 30% to 70% is.
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And that is half the problem, the myth actually perpetuates where people are put off by the myth itself.

The idea there are too many law graduates is a bit of a false idea too - part of the issue is assuming a law degree = you want a career in law. You could say the same of many professions though, there's more accountancy students than accountancy roles.
How so? Because people get put off and assume the whole "they only hire Oxbridge" people thing? Apologies for less eloquent speech; long day and English isn't my first language.

I think many people do go into law with the intention of it at the start, but the problem both Law and Accounting have is that their roles can be done by non-Law grads. Any subject can do a GDL, and I know a great many people on my Biomed degree planning to go into Accounting afterwards. It might undermine the value of it as an undergrad to some people.
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You need to try harder or up your game somehow. That's verging on pathetic.
Stop flirting. And avoiding the question.
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For most legal jobs, your university name will mean sweet FA.
For good jobs it will mean something. Not all of us want some 20k job living in our parents house till we're 30.
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You are not taking into consideration non law students nor the number of applications made in the first place. The disproportionate levels, especially in London is based on many other factors before university name.
I agree that by factoring in non-law students it would very slightly more proportional. But what are these 'other factors'?. Btw I wish it was more proportional, but it would be false to deny that Oxbridge dominates the market.
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For medicine when you apply for F1 (first job after graduating) your medical school is hidden by law.
Wow I never knew this!
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When you stop being a t**t, I'll have a reasonable conversation with you. But all the time you are trying to power play by trying to get one up on me, put me down or even worse try to sexualise me some how is beyond any level of normality, even for an online forum.

If you think it's funny/entertaining, then you have got some form of personality disorder.
I have no need try to get you one up on you. I asked a legitimate question and you responded by calling me pathetic. I am not sure what type of professional response you want from that.

There is a legitimate case to be made that people involved in HR aspects of law firms deal mostly with quantitative data. The people who make the final decision, take part in interviews etc, are looking for qualitative features such as academic interests, knowledge of the law, knowledge of substantive legal developments, and lastly the academic calibre of the applicant's university and course. Rather than directly say "you're only an HR consultant" I tried to make a joke out of it assuming you had good humour; for that, I was mistaken and apologise.
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For example, Law is going to be competitive, and the university name is going to make a big impact for the application. What other degrees are like this? Does STEM not have to worry about this too much?
I would have thought a lot depends on the employer and their sort of philosophy / code / vision. For example, as someone has mentioned for the Civil Service it shouldn't matter (although I've heard a disproportionately high number of Oxford & Cambridge graduates get onto the grad scheme; then again, maybe that's just because they're highly intelligent and it shows) and a lot of companies with an emphasis on diversity may not care so much about what university you studied at. Other companies may be more prestigious, have less emphasis on diversity, or for whatever reason prefer to employ people from traditionally prestigious universities.

Also, there are some sectors where your university doesn't matter in theory, but in practice it opens doors. Journalism, TV and politics are three good examples. There are networks at certain universities (again, Oxford & Cambridge as an example) which enable you to get to know the right people to be able to get your foot in the door.
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Don't play all innocent now and try and cover your backside now. There was clearly intent there to try and hit a nerve. It's unfortunately becoming too common from you and it's truly creepy.

Considering I was the person who made the final decision, I think I know a bit more about how it works, and I can tell you it's not as simple as you describe.
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