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    What utter nonsense that a 2:2 is below standard! What planet are you on?
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    Good luck finding a good job with a 2:2 and below
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    With Brexit, alot of employers have reduced their graduate intake and expanding european offices.

    Good luck finding a job with a 2:2 (its doable but excludes you from like 80% of all jobs)
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    (Original post by hannah00)
    With Brexit, alot of employers have reduced their graduate intake and expanding european offices.

    Good luck finding a job with a 2:2 (its doable but excludes you from like 80% of all jobs)
    2:1 is standard these days. A first class puts you above most the competition tbh
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    A job is a job! Why want to become an investment banker when you can pick garbage around town for the rest of your life?

    (egalitarian troll btfo)
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    The thing is a degree shouldn't be "a degree", as you say.

    Those grad jobs don't need a degree to be done - specifically they accept any degree subject and just put arbitrary requirements on the classification or awarding university due to demand. You could get a 6th form student who is bright but not necessarily academically minded, put them in an investment bank as a trainee (below the standard of grad analysts) and within two years they'd be easily able to do the role of a grad analyst. An analyst does not need or use advanced mathematics. A quant, sure, but most applying for those positions will have at least a masters if not a PhD, so..

    What a degree should be is what it was originally intended for - an academic training programme for either a handful of professions which require specific academic knowledge to engage in (law, medicine, etc - also in modern day times, realistically engineering) or to continue in academia as a lecturer, scientist, researcher generally, etc, etc. Even some things, like a reasonable swathe of engineers, many solicitors (as opposed to barristers, and particularly in corporate law), architects, and so on, which would otherwise fall into the above, could well be trained (as they are, for the former two) in joint academic apprenticeship programmes - where the degree is incidental, more than anything.

    Alas, (the necessary and good push for) access to university has been misinterpreted and misimplemented as meaning that everyone should go to university, rather than anyone should be able to go to university.
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    (Original post by shameful_burrito)
    2:1 is standard these days. A first class puts you above most the competition tbh
    I hate how the govt has introduced another layer of grades for new GCSEs

    just increases the gap between average and super clever and gives added advantage to households that can afford private tutors
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    (Original post by artful_lounger)
    Those grad jobs don't need a degree to be done - specifically they accept any degree subject and just put arbitrary requirements on the classification or awarding university due to demand. You could get a 6th form student who is bright but not necessarily academically minded, put them in an investment bank as a trainee (below the standard of grad analysts) and within two years they'd be easily able to do the role of a grad analyst. An analyst does not need or use advanced mathematics. A quant, sure, but most applying for those positions will have at least a masters if not a PhD, so..
    Hi my name is artful_lounger and I rant about IB whenever I can.
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    (Original post by hannah00)
    I hate how the govt has introduced another layer of grades for new GCSEs

    just increases the gap between average and super clever and gives added advantage to households that can afford private tutors
    No one said life is fair. But it's understandable. The best people get the best jobs.
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    (Original post by JohanGRK)
    Hi my name is artful_lounger and I rant about IB whenever I can.
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    (Original post by artful_lounger)
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    (Original post by shameful_burrito)
    Good luck finding a good job with a 2:2 and below
    Again, what planet you on? I'm a boss with a 1st with masters too! My staff are 2:2 and more functional than my 4 males who have a 1st! People need to "back up" their skills without academia involved. Get in the real world mate!
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    (Original post by shameful_burrito)
    Good luck finding a good job with a 2:2 and below
    Good luck to you! With your attitude I wouldn't employ you, even if you manage a Masters!
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    A degree is a unit of measurement of angles, one ninetieth of a right angle or the angle subtended by one three-hundred-and-sixtieth of the circumference of a circle.
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    (Original post by shameful_burrito)
    2:1 is standard these days. A first class puts you above most the competition tbh
    Yes, it depends on what subject...m
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    (Original post by hannah00)
    With Brexit, alot of employers have reduced their graduate intake and expanding european offices.

    Good luck finding a job with a 2:2 (its doable but excludes you from like 80% of all jobs)
    Really? I'm half way to PhD and you?
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    (Original post by artful_lounger)
    The thing is a degree shouldn't be "a degree", as you say.

    Those grad jobs don't need a degree to be done - specifically they accept any degree subject and just put arbitrary requirements on the classification or awarding university due to demand. You could get a 6th form student who is bright but not necessarily academically minded, put them in an investment bank as a trainee (below the standard of grad analysts) and within two years they'd be easily able to do the role of a grad analyst. An analyst does not need or use advanced mathematics. A quant, sure, but most applying for those positions will have at least a masters if not a PhD, so..

    What a degree should be is what it was originally intended for - an academic training programme for either a handful of professions which require specific academic knowledge to engage in (law, medicine, etc - also in modern day times, realistically engineering) or to continue in academia as a lecturer, scientist, researcher generally, etc, etc. Even some things, like a reasonable swathe of engineers, many solicitors (as opposed to barristers, and particularly in corporate law), architects, and so on, which would otherwise fall into the above, could well be trained (as they are, for the former two) in joint academic apprenticeship programmes - where the degree is incidental, more than anything.

    Alas, (the necessary and good push for) access to university has been misinterpreted and misimplemented as meaning that everyone should go to university, rather than anyone should be able to go to university.
    Well said!!!
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    (Original post by Juliamarie9)
    Good luck to you! With your attitude I wouldn't employ you, even if you manage a Masters!
    I really couldn't care less what you wouldemploy. I'm on my way to get a First class degree in Mechanical Engineering. I'm also already the co-director of a company, soon to be CEO after I graduate from uni:borat:
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    (Original post by Juliamarie9)
    What utter nonsense that a 2:2 is below standard! What planet are you on?
    Good grad jobs are generally conditional on a 2:1. A 2:2 is still a degree, it just closes a lot of doors to you.
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    (Original post by LeapingLucy)
    Good grad jobs are generally conditional on a 2:1. A 2:2 is still a degree, it just closes a lot of doors to you.
    *an idiot flies in and asks:*
    "what does 2:2 mean? does it mean you failed something? if I get 2:1 does that mean I got straight As or something?"
 
 
 
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