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This is utter idiocy. The hard-left president of the Balliol JCR banned the Balliol Christian league from putting up a stand at the Freshers Fair out of 'concern' for "potential for harm to freshers".

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We recognise the wonderful advantages in having CU representatives at the freshers’ fair, but are concerned that there is potential for harm to freshers who are already struggling to feel welcome in Oxford

Our sole concern is that the presence of the CU alone may alienate incoming students. This sort of alienation or micro-aggression is regularly dismissed as not important enough to report, especially when there is little to no indication that other students or committee members may empathise, and inevitably leads to further harm of the already most vulnerable and marginalised groups.

Christianity’s influence on many marginalised communities has been damaging in its methods of conversion and rules of practice, and is still used in many places as an excuse for homophobia and certain forms of neo-colonialism
They also said that other religions might not have enough members to have their own stands, which would be "unfair" and so they decided to allow a single, 'multi-faith' stand but it would have to be unmanned; no-one would be allowed to be at the stand to answer questions, only leaflets would be permitted.

Now I am a militant atheist, and I am gay. I hold no truck for Christianity, which I believe is a pernicious and false belief system. But this ban was absolute nonsense and it only serves to solidify the belief that the undergraduate left are a bunch of crybaby snowflakes.

http://cherwell.org/2017/10/08/chris...freshers-fair/
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Pathetic.

In thirty years they will look back on this and cringe.
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Christianity’s influence on many marginalised communities has been damaging in its methods of conversion
Isn't 99% of all Christian conversion efforts nowadays just unread leaflets and unanswered Jehovah's witness housecalls?
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This is utter idiocy. The hard-left president of the Balliol JCR banned the Balliol Christian league from putting up a stand at the Freshers Fair out of 'concern' for "potential for harm to freshers".

They said;



They also said that other religions might not have enough members to have their own stands, which would be "unfair" and so they decided to allow a single, 'multi-faith' stand but it would have to be unmanned; no-one would be allowed to be at the stand to answer questions, only leaflets would be permitted.

Now I am a militant atheist, and I am gay. I hold no truck for Christianity, which I believe is a pernicious and false belief system. But this ban was absolute nonsense and it only serves to solidify the belief that the undergraduate left are a bunch of crybaby snowflakes.

http://cherwell.org/2017/10/08/chris...freshers-fair/

They have become part of the ABC brigade. Anything But Christ, and to their detriment.

The more Christianity is persecuted the more it is true. Let's look at Christianity reasonably, what is there to rally against? Following Christ's teachings makes the world a better place.

Christians against poverty and debt Charity - Christians Against Poverty We are passionate about releasing people from a life sentence of poverty, debt, unemployment and addiction. Working with the Church we bring good news, hope and freedom to people in the UK. https://capuk.org/

Tearcraft - WE'RE CHRISTIANS PASSIONATE ABOUT ENDING POVERTY We're following Jesus where the need is greatest, working through local churches to unlock people's potential and helping them to discover that the answer to poverty is within themselves. When disasters strike, we respond quickly. We won't stop until poverty stops. http://www.tearfund.org/en/about_us/

Christian mental health care in the community - Crossways Community is a Christian charity that provides residential care and support for adults aged 18-65 with acute mental health issues. Here's just one example
http://www.crosswayscommunity.co.uk/...s/our-history/

Christian's helping the homeless - HTB SHELTER HTB QUEENS GATE DAY DROP-IN SHELTER What is it? The HTB Shelter provides a safe, non-judgemental place where all are welcome and offers basic services such as; food, advice, friendship and practical support in a non-threatening Christian environment. We offer a hot breakfast, coffee bar and a range of other activities. Guests can just turn up. https://www.htb.org/htb-shelter-and-night-shelter

Safe Families Church and communities - partners with local authorities across England to give children and families better outcomes. Many local authorities are already seeing a reduction in flow of children into care as a result of Safe Families early intervention. In the UK Safe Families has provided over 2300 respite bed nights to children, with thousands of children benefitting from support.
https://www.safefamiliesforchildren....milies-church/

Just some examples of thousands of ways Christians help in their communities, be very afraid !!!!
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What harm are they causing though? Imagine if they banned a Muslim group
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This is utter idiocy. The hard-left president of the Balliol JCR banned the Balliol Christian league from putting up a stand at the Freshers Fair out of 'concern' for "potential for harm to freshers".

They said;

They also said that other religions might not have enough members to have their own stands, which would be "unfair" and so they decided to allow a single, 'multi-faith' stand but it would have to be unmanned; no-one would be allowed to be at the stand to answer questions, only leaflets would be permitted.

Now I am a militant atheist, and I am gay. I hold no truck for Christianity, which I believe is a pernicious and false belief system. But this ban was absolute nonsense and it only serves to solidify the belief that the undergraduate left are a bunch of crybaby snowflakes.

http://cherwell.org/2017/10/08/chris...freshers-fair/
Yeah weird decision...
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Where does it say he's "hard left"? Or even left?

You right wing tools always try hard to make this a left vs right issue and paint the left as the ridiculous side.
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What harm are they causing though? Imagine if they banned a Muslim group

Agreed. This is half the battle though. People clumping all religions and their teachings together. It's pure ignorance of what the differences are.

A different God for one.
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I find it bizarre that someone genuinely believes freshers are harmed by the presence of a Christian stall.
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This is utter idiocy. The hard-left president of the Balliol JCR banned the Balliol Christian league from putting up a stand at the Freshers Fair out of 'concern' for "potential for harm to freshers".

They said;



They also said that other religions might not have enough members to have their own stands, which would be "unfair" and so they decided to allow a single, 'multi-faith' stand but it would have to be unmanned; no-one would be allowed to be at the stand to answer questions, only leaflets would be permitted.

Now I am a militant atheist, and I am gay. I hold no truck for Christianity, which I believe is a pernicious and false belief system. But this ban was absolute nonsense and it only serves to solidify the belief that the undergraduate left are a bunch of crybaby snowflakes.

http://cherwell.org/2017/10/08/chris...freshers-fair/
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england...shire-41565132


...aaaand as expected, OP hasn't given us all the facts. The issue has since been resolved and it also implies there were problems with the CU.

Try not to be so manipulative, I know it's an online forum so it's easy for you to push an agenda but not all of us will stand for your crap.
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The more Christianity is persecuted the more it is true.
That is logically fallacious. The degree to which Christianity is persecuted has no actual bearing on its veracity, otherwise you would have to concede that the persecution of atheists in theocratic societies was indicative of its truth.

Let's look at Christianity reasonably, what is there to rally against? Following Christ's teachings makes the world a better place.
The question is not, "Is Christianity morally / practically beneficial?" but "Is Christianity true?". If it is not true, then it doesn't matter how allegedly salutary a belief system it is. If it is true, then it doesn't require justification by way of the "By their fruits shall ye know them" argument.

Just some examples of thousands of ways Christians help in their communities, be very afraid !!!!
Despite my atheism, I would not deny that there is a social justice tendency in the teachings of Christianity and in some of its practitioners. However it is clearly not inherent in the religion; many of its most passionate believers are also some of the world's most bigoted, hateful and reactionary individuals. In fact, such people often cite Christianity as justification and driving-force behind their bigotry and regressivism.

Fundamentally, as I outlined above, what matters is whether Christianity is true. None of the positive tendencies you mentioned (compassion for the poor and for society's outcasts, bringing comfort to the afflicted, etc) require Christianity to practice, and in fact one might argue that it is more moral to practice these things because you believe in them for their own sake, because you believe that the poor should be comforted and helped etc, and not because you believe that if you do not do these things you will be punished by a powerful, supernatural being.
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...aaaand as expected, OP hasn't given us all the facts.
Which relevant facts are you claiming I failed to mention? Your post doesn't throw any light on that question at all.

The issue has since been resolved
The CU wasn't allowed to have their stand; Balliol Freshers went ahead without it. That the Balliol JCR President managed to mollify the CU representatives has no actual bearing on the ban itself nor on the preposterous sentiments expressed by the JCR, which I directly quoted and which are themselves the justifiable basis for harsh criticism

it also implies there were problems with the CU
What "implies there were problems with the CU"?

Try not to be so manipulative, I know it's an online forum so it's easy for you to push an agenda but not all of us will stand for your crap.
And, pray tell, what agenda am I pushing?

For someone who claims to be in favour of clear, truthful and good-faith posts, yours did very little in the way of providing clarify or truth, or demonstrating good faith. It seemed more like a whiney personal attack
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You right wing tools always try hard to make this a left vs right issue and paint the left as the ridiculous side.
You know what they say about assumptions; it makes an ass out of u and me. I'm actually a socialist. However, I'm a socialist in the true, old-school sense; my socialism is based on a hard economic critique of capitalism and the inequity of class relations, not on identity politics or wet liberal guilt.

The preposterous words I quoted, which justify the ban by reference to "micro-aggressions" and "neo-colonialism", are indicative of the whiney snowflake mentality of many who claim to be on the left but whose entire conception of being on the left revolves around obsession with identity politics and feel-good causes that do nothing to advance the economic interests of the working and middle-classes.
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"micro-aggressions" so basically doing nothing at all. Why not just have more groups for other faiths???
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Christianity is deeply woven into the fabric of Oxford Yoony. Can you spot the connection between these colleges ?

All Souls College
Blackfriars
Campion Hall
Christ Church
Corpus Christi College
Jesus College
Keble College
Magdalen College
St Anne's College
St Antony's College
St Benet's Hall
St Catherine's College
St Cross College
St Edmund Hall
St Hilda's College
St Hugh's College
St John's College
St Peter's College
St Stephen's House
Trinity College

CS Lewis would be rotating in his sarcophagus if he heard this Balliol nonsense.
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Harious and dumb. I bet if it was another religion then they wouldnt dare ban it.
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Holy **** this is a terribly written sentence because no commas so you could just read this bit XD "and none are free to worship and express their beliefs openly."
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Which relevant facts are you claiming I failed to mention? Your post doesn't throw any light on that question at all.



The CU wasn't allowed to have their stand; Balliol Freshers went ahead without it. That the Balliol JCR President managed to mollify the CU representatives has no actual bearing on the ban itself nor on the preposterous sentiments expressed by the JCR, which I directly quoted and which are themselves the justifiable basis for harsh criticism



What "implies there were problems with the CU"?



And, pray tell, what agenda am I pushing?

For someone who claims to be in favour of clear, truthful and good-faith posts, yours did very little in the way of providing clarify or truth, or demonstrating good faith. It seemed more like a whiney personal attack
Don't bore me with your overscrupulous talk. The CU isn't banned. the issue has been solved.

(Original post by AlexanderHam)
You know what they say about assumptions; it makes an ass out of u and me. I'm actually a socialist. However, I'm a socialist in the true, old-school sense; my socialism is based on a hard economic critique of capitalism and the inequity of class relations, not on identity politics or wet liberal guilt.

The preposterous words I quoted, which justify the ban by reference to "micro-aggressions" and "neo-colonialism", are indicative of the whiney snowflake mentality of many who claim to be on the left but whose entire conception of being on the left revolves around obsession with identity politics and feel-good causes that do nothing to advance the economic interests of the working and middle-classes.
I don't care.

Again, no real response to the fact that you just wanted to push your divisive rhetoric. Fact is, you lied by presenting an outdated article. The issue has been resolved. Get over it.
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Where does it say he's "hard left"? Or even left?

You right wing tools always try hard to make this a left vs right issue and paint the left as the ridiculous side.
Balliol JCR has been a haven for lefty idiots for years.

This is totally a left vs right issue. The left is defined by this sort of snowflake stupidity.

The biggest joke is they obviously haven't been anywhere near an Anglican church in their lives if they think it is homophobic. You can get a stipend nowadays without being gay, a lesbian or transgender.

Homophobia from the ISOC ,though, that is a different matter!

But that would never be banned. Why? They are lefty idiots, and therefore apologists for Islamism, that's why.
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Christianity is deeply woven into the fabric of Oxford Yoony. Can you spot the connection between these colleges ?

All Souls College
Blackfriars
Campion Hall
Christ Church
Corpus Christi College
Jesus College
Keble College
Magdalen College
St Anne's College
St Antony's College
St Benet's Hall
St Catherine's College
St Cross College
St Edmund Hall
St Hilda's College
St Hugh's College
St John's College
St Peter's College
St Stephen's House
Trinity College

CS Lewis would be rotating in his sarcophagus if he heard this Balliol nonsense.
The college only exists at all because John de Balliol fell out with the Bishop of Durham and founded it as an act of Christian penance in 1263.
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