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    (Original post by Bonkadonker)
    Not the point. This isnt for people who identify as neutral but rather for the safety of tranagender students and other students who feel off by having them in the "wrong" bathrooms, which is stupid but does happen - therefore leading to furthee bullying and assaults.
    any evidence that having transgender bathrooms leads to less bullying? I'd be inclined to say such obvious segregation is going to draw more attention and thus more bullying. social acceptance of transgenders is the only issue that needs tackling.
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    No. Waste of money
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    (Original post by TheMathsTeacher)
    "Inconveniencing everyone"? How would the addition of a separate bathroom be an inconvenience to anyone?
    its making an issue out of nothing. let kids be kids, stop forcing ridiculous gender ideas into kids. there are boys and girls, no more, no less, deal with it!
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    (Original post by TheMathsTeacher)
    It's scary that as a young person, in the 21st century, you have this level of intolerance and ignorance.
    The counter -argument to this could be that this is a passing fad or trend - and in only a very short space of time, this will all be forgotten, no-one will care about it and the ignorance will be looked back on as the people who promoted it.
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    I've been in a school where the toilets were just in an alcove off the corridor, anyone could use them and there was sinks in the middle, stopped people congregating and messing about in there and if you do feel uncomfortable using a specific gendered toilet then that eliminates the problem. Nobody else cared they were gender neutral
    Also my doctors technically has gender neutral toilets, and they don't cause an issue
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    On gender-neutral toilets - I don't think there should be a "third-category" as such - simply two types of toilets - single cubicles which are "toilets" that anyone can use - and also larger male toilets with several urinals. Anyone can use the "toilets" which aren't gendered - and the urinal blocks are there only to reduce congestion.

    I'd propose this seperate of any gender debate - just on a facilities planning level.
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    (Original post by Trinculo)
    On gender-neutral toilets - I don't think there should be a "third-category" as such - simply two types of toilets - single cubicles which are "toilets" that anyone can use - and also larger male toilets with several urinals. Anyone can use the "toilets" which aren't gendered - and the urinal blocks are there only to reduce congestion.

    I'd propose this seperate of any gender debate - just on a facilities planning level.
    Yup, this is the way. With common sinks and hand dryers.

    After all, the toilet in your home is gender neutral.

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    (Original post by Doonesbury)
    Yup, this is the way. With common sinks and hand dryers.

    After all, the toilet in your home is gender neutral.

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    I think the only issue with toilets is that trying to retrofit this kind of thing to schools is really expensive and disruptive - but in new-builds is easy and efficient to do.

    The more difficult thing is changing rooms. If you're going to go down this road, I really don't see any alternative to having male and female changing rooms - and then a series of individual stalls. The problem then becomes telling males or females who want an individual stall that they can't use one.
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    (Original post by euphonious)
    Tell me what you think.
    Guess what theres only 2 genders!
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    (Original post by iElvendork)
    I've been in a school where the toilets were just in an alcove off the corridor, anyone could use them and there was sinks in the middle, stopped people congregating and messing about in there and if you do feel uncomfortable using a specific gendered toilet then that eliminates the problem. Nobody else cared they were gender neutral
    Also my doctors technically has gender neutral toilets, and they don't cause an issue
    This is something in new school design, and as you suggest largely came out of anti-bullying / behaviour design. The issue is what to do with old schools, really.
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    2 genders, no more, no less, so no gender-neutral toilets!
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    Personally, chunngus
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    I'm sure we had gender neutral toilets in primary school up until I was in year 5 I think.
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    (Original post by Trinculo)
    On gender-neutral toilets - I don't think there should be a "third-category" as such - simply two types of toilets - single cubicles which are "toilets" that anyone can use - and also larger male toilets with several urinals. Anyone can use the "toilets" which aren't gendered - and the urinal blocks are there only to reduce congestion.

    I'd propose this seperate of any gender debate - just on a facilities planning level.
    This is how every bar or restuarant with limited space for bathrooms works these days. I don't see why everyone seems to think this needs to be made into a gender issue and get uptight about it which ever side of the arguement they sit on. Its just a practical solution.
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    (Original post by TheMathsTeacher)
    It's scary that as a young person, in the 21st century, you have this level of intolerance and ignorance.
    It's scary that as a young person in the 21st century, when the LGBT movement would happily declare themselves as the side with an open mind and the intellectual argument on their side, you'd absolutely faily to recognise that there is some merit to what they said.

    (Original post by VirgoStrain)
    Yes there’s plenty of evidence. Any more questions?
    Here's a question: How were you able to completely miss the point of them asking if there was any evidence? They obviously wanted you to provide a link to some evidence, not just state "It exists".
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    (Original post by VirgoStrain)
    If trans kids weren’t complaining about bullying, this wouldn’t be an issue. Not too hard to work out. On the other hand, you could continue to pelt out big words pretending to be an intellectual.
    I'm not denying that bullying of trans kids is a problem. Someone asked for evidence if gender neutral bathrooms reduced the bullying, they didn't ask if the bullying exists. Do you have any evidence for gender neutral bathrooms reducing bullying of trans people?

    Okay, none of my words were "big" or even uncommon. Just a note, whenever person A claims that person B is trying to appear smart by using uncommon words and describing them as "big", it doesn't highlight the supposed intent of person B, rather it shows the intellect of person A, or at the very least their perception of words used by others.
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    (Original post by VirgoStrain)
    If trans kids weren’t complaining about bullying, this wouldn’t be an issue. Not too hard to work out. On the other hand, you could continue to pelt out big words pretending to be an intellectual.
    I doubt many would argue that bullying goers on, but you are still missing the bit where you provide evidence that the response to complaints of bullying (the provision of gender neutral toilets) has resulted in a reduction in bullying. I'd have thought that such a facility would act as a magnet for the bullies, who might lie in wait and scrag the user (undisturbed, because only one child in a school uses it).
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    (Original post by TheMathsTeacher)
    How would the addition of a separate bathroom be an inconvenience to anyone?
    Perhaps through the money for books or a new science lab having been used to provide a gender-neutral toilet for one child?
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    (Original post by VirgoStrain)
    lol.

    Trans bathrooms reduce bullying because the bullying that does occur in gender specific bathrooms is partly to do with the fact a trans person is in it, and may not fit in, or may look out of place.
    Or perhaps bullying occurs regardless of where the trans person is at? And perhaps lots of the bullying occurs in a toilet because the kids can "safely" do it away from the eyes of the teachers.

    If you have gender neutral toilets then the trans kids will definitey not look out of place, but if you're trying to reduce trans bullying as a whole, then focusing on the bathrooms is a weak course of action.
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    (Original post by VirgoStrain)
    If the school doesn’t need a new science lab or books then it can use the money for a gender neutral bathroom. It’s far cheaper anyway.
    If a school is so well funded that it doesn't need a new science lab, doesn't need to improve the wages of their staff or perhaps doesn't even need to expand their campus, then sure. As for it being cheaper, how?
 
 
 
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