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    (Original post by Saoirse:3)
    you could easily designate a couple of existing loos as gender-neutral while keeping gendered ones elsewhere.
    How would this work at a boys' school? Or a girls' school for that matter?

    The bullies would spot anyone using the gender-neutral toilets and use the opportunity for a bit of private abuse, undisturbed. They would even look out for them. Bullying is an issue that has to be tackled, full stop; nor facilitated.
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    (Original post by usualsuspects)
    sacrificing the dreadful urinals is the simplest and safer option.
    The vast majority of males like the urinals, though, as they are quicker to use.
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    The vast majority of males like the urinals, though, as they are quicker to use.
    speaking as a male... I HATE URINALS!!!
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    (Original post by Saoirse:3)
    That would force the child to come out of the closet to the school to request permission, and then come up with some explanation for their peers as to why they were using a different toilet to everyone else. That's far from a solution. Right now there's children who avoid using the toilet all day rather than face these issues, whether that's because they're transgender or (in the case of boys in particular) bullied for some other reason that makes them feel vulnerable using a gendered toilet. That's a health issue, not just "individuals' feelings". The availability of gender neutral facilities would make a significant number of children far more comfortable at school and reduce bullying at in most cases zero cost - you could easily designate a couple of existing loos as gender-neutral while keeping gendered ones elsewhere.
    Yeah, well I'm sorry but you have to deal with other people in society, and these other people are capable of noticing your behaviour patterns and any problems you might have. It might be thought that school is where a child should learn to manage this. Do you think other children would just magically not notice if a particular child started using the gender neutral toilets, or regularly went out of his way to use the gender neutral toilets rather than the ordinary ones, and that this wouldn't require explanation? Would such a child not in every case exhibit other behaviours that would mark him out as having a problem, and therefore as a target for bullying?

    If there is bullying schools should deal with this, but I entirely do not buy that providing an additional toilet facility would have a substantial impact on the bullying of children with gender issues.
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    How would this work at a boys' school? Or a girls' school for that matter?

    The bullies would spot anyone using the gender-neutral toilets and use the opportunity for a bit of private abuse, undisturbed. They would even look out for them. Bullying is an issue that has to be tackled, full stop; nor facilitated.
    Personally I don't support single-gender schools at all - I think they're an absolutely terrible idea. But if you're at one you're going to be associated with that gender no matter what unfortunately.

    I really don't think that would happen if we were talking about one or two larger toilets that were commonly used. There'd be a bit of a stigma in the first couple of weeks, but eventually people would use them just out of convenience if they had no particular preference. We do have to tackle bullying but we also have to recognise that we're very far away from that and that there will always be some small amount no matter what. We should recognise that bullying predominantly occurs within rather than between genders and give children a way to avoid such gendered spaces where possible. I mean, even if a school has done very well in virtually eliminating bullying, there'll be chidren who are traumatised by previous experiences in addition to those who may be trans, non-binary etc all of whom would often appreciate gender-neutral facilities.
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    (Original post by euphonious)
    Tell me what you think.
    I think it's stupid. What's the point?
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    a child 16 and younger can't call themselves gender neutral how ****ed up is that
    we have some mixed gender toilets at uni and they're gross and awkward. they basically serve as another male toilet without urinals. and for the dim minded like me i honestly thought they were there because they ran out of space to put toilets so was thinking what a joke the architect was
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    Yes I believe this would be a good idea. This is especially good for the kids who are queer, genderless and fluid. Im all foe it!
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    (Original post by DYoverDX)
    I think it's stupid. What's the point?
    This point is for people and kids to feel comfortable using using the bathroom. Yes it would take time and construction, but it would be worth it. It is one step closer to making ALL people, not just cisgender and straight people, feel accepted.
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    I do not see the problem, where I went to school all of the toilets were individual cubicles coming off a corridor with a teacher sitting in the corridor supervising the toilets to stop pupils lingering, fighting, and breaking school rules. The toilets were not build to be gender inclusive, the toilets were built to give more privacy, more space, and more comfort to all pupils using them.
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    I've seen them work, there's not much else to say. Should be the case in all schools.
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    My high school had mixed sex bathrooms (and had them before any concerns about gender neutral kids). They had other benefits too as people didn't hang around in them the same way as in the single sex toilets. I don't really see the problem, there's no reason NOT to have gender neutral toilets - OK they may not benefit a large number of people but they're also not harming anyone.
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    I think you'd find that there would be uproar, especially from the parents of thirteen-year old girls who were expected to share the facilities used by eighteen-year old boys.
    Well afaict it's certainly true that a lot of parents seem to have nothing better to do than think up strange things to complain about.

    Meanwhile in the real world... the eighteen year old girls will beat them up if they try anything nasty.
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    (Original post by Saoirse:3)
    We should recognise that bullying predominantly occurs within rather than between genders and give children a way to avoid such gendered spaces where possible.
    You seem to think that such a toilet would remove the power of a bully as he or she walks through the door. What it really means is that a girl would still be bullied by other girls but in front of boys as well as girls, and vice versa. It would also mean that bullies would be able to target people of the opposite sex more easily, as the victim could not avoid their attentions by escaping into the toilets.
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    (Original post by Joinedup)
    Well afaict it's certainly true that a lot of parents seem to have nothing better to do than think up strange things to complain about.
    So when you are a father you'll be happy for your young daughter to be in a closed room with young men waving their willies around in front of her.
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    We already have a disabled toilet that is perfect for them as it is normally only used by a few students so having a few more would not cause any real issues in terms of large lines and it is secluded. not that I am saying that they are disabled.
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    So when you are a father you'll be happy for your young daughter to be in a closed room with young men waving their willies around in front of her.
    If any student was going to that, they could do it anywhere within or outside the school ground. If anything cubicles provide more privacy and security.
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    (Original post by euphonious)
    Tell me what you think.
    No.
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    Like I said in a previous post, I don't think the addition of gender-less toilets should mean the abolition of male/female toilets. I just think the addition of a gender-less facilities would make student's who don't identify as male or female more comfortable. AND it would act as an additional facility for the other students. Gender-less doesn't mean if you identify as male or female you can't use them - it would just be a facility open to all students.

    If girls didn't want to go to the toilet with boys there, then fair enough, the female toilets would still be available for them. The same as with the males. Maybe I'm over-simplifying the issue (or perhaps overcomplicating) but I just think this is probably the quickest and easiest fix for the problem.

    Easier than telling a student "you are a boy or a girl, there's no other option" and quicker than waiting for the rest of the population to catch up with these kinds of progression. Rome wasn't built in a day and all that. Surely the more steps we take towards acceptance, the more widely accepted it would be?

    I'm not expert on any of this though, so you may disagree - and that's fine.
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    (Original post by J-SP)
    If anything cubicles provide more privacy and security.
    Hmm. You were not following the debate, were you? The person I was replying to had suggested that urinals could feature in a gender-neutral toilet, outside the cubicles, just as they do in a male toilet.
 
 
 
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