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    No I don’t think there should be gender neutral toilets but I DO think trans pupils should be allowed to use the bathroom of their choice
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    Hmm. You were not following the debate, were you? The person I was replying to had suggested that urinals could feature in a gender-neutral toilet, outside the cubicles, just as they do in a male toilet.
    The "debate" has made it clear how unisex toilets work in reality rather than some crazy notion of it being an absolute free for all.

    Clearly you have never been in a unisex toilet with urinals. Its not like they are dead centre right by the door for everyone to have a look at as they go past it to the cubicles. They are typically tucked away, usually hidden behind a wall at the back of the toilets.
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    (Original post by TheMathsTeacher)
    it would just be a facility open to all students.
    One wonders how, if it is used by all, how it will make a minority more comfortable. Would a girl, uncomfortable among girls, be made more comfortable by the presence of boys in an even busier facility?

    (Original post by TheMathsTeacher)
    Rome wasn't built in a day and all that.
    In Rome, of course, there were no cubicles in public toilets at all, and the means of cleaning oneself after defecation was a communal sponge on a stick, dipped in water between users. Are you advocating such a gender-neutral approach?
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    (Original post by J-SP)
    They are typically tucked away, usually hidden behind a wall at the back of the toilets.
    Then they are not gender-neutral, are they?
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    Then they are not gender-neutral, are they?
    They are. There technically wouldnt be anything stopping a woman or someone who identified as a woman from using the urinals
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    Just going to put it out there....disabled toilets are genderless...no one has a problem with that. Especially as most people use them anyway. So why not just have a set of toilets?
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    (Original post by Good bloke)
    So when you are a father you'll be happy for your young daughter to be in a closed room with young men waving their willies around in front of her.
    Having disabled her by causing fits of hysterical laughter it would be more easy to steal her dinner money... I'll grant you that.

    There are some design considerations - you could have a lot of individual user toilets off a corridor (as someone already mentioned) or a few communal toilets around the place in which case you'd have to think about the amount of loitering room there was - this was one of the problems IIRC from my old schools vast toilets. If you have enough open floor space for a phalanx of loiterers to build up inside, then trouble is eventually going to occur.
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    (Original post by Joinedup)
    If you have enough open floor space for a phalanx of loiterers to build up inside, then trouble is eventually going to occur.
    A build-up of people who loiter in the toilet in lieu of a place to gossip causes those who toil in the loo to lose out in the discharge of their business as the loiterers gather too loosely and impede their toil; it takes a toll on the toilers' ability to clear the build-up in the loo (often caused by the discharge of too much business when not too loose), leading all to lose out.
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    (Original post by euphonious)
    Tell me what you think.
    In my school, alot of people use the disabled toilets, which are the only toilets on the upper floor where core subjects take place, in and between lessons, so most toilets are already, gender neutral but mot labelled as so.. But now one has been officially labelled as gender neutral, it has caused an uproar. Personally, as a member of the LGBTQ+ community, I think is it a huge step forwards to help every student of the school feel included. But I don't understand why people are upset about it when most of the time, they were using toilets that were gender neutral anyway.
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    Ways to avoid social bloackages: Have the same amount of total number of toilets and urnals, except in just the one space rather than two. Next have a wider gangway for people to wash hands, check face/hair. Finally, realise that the toilets are unsanitary place to socialise and abort gossping mission in said toilets, freeing up room for people who want to use the facilities quietly.
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    (Original post by euphonious)
    Tell me what you think.
    If you are male you have an XY chromosome, if you are female you have XX chromosomes. You do not lose or gain chromosomes during a 'sex change'. Thus one should go to the bathroom of their chromosome combination, as it is impossible to change one's gender.

    As a conclusion, as one cannot change their gender, then they should use the bathroom of their birth sex.
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    (Original post by Anonymouse 921)
    If you are male you have an XY chromosome, if you are female you have YY chromosomes. You do not lose or gain chromosomes during a 'sex change'. Thus one should go to the bathroom of their chromosome combination, as it is impossible to change one's gender.

    As a conclusion, as one cannot change their gender, then they should use the bathroom of their birth sex.
    Under that same theory, no one should be able to dye their hair, wear coloured contact lenses or even worse not be able to take any form of medication to treat a genetic illness, if you have to be limited to something you are genetically born with.
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    (Original post by AperfectBalance)
    We already have a disabled toilet that is perfect for them as it is normally only used by a few students so having a few more would not cause any real issues in terms of large lines and it is secluded. not that I am saying that they are disabled.
    If they're not disabled, they shouldn't be using the disabled toilet. They're for disabled people.
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    How about two separate toilets for two different genders - MALE AND FEMALE. No more of this made up third/fourth/forty-ninth kind of gender. It's utter rubbish propagated by attention seekers; much like the leather shoe wearing vegans.
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    (Original post by Anonymouse 921)
    If you are male you have an XY chromosome, if you are female you have YY chromosomes. You do not lose or gain chromosomes during a 'sex change'. Thus one should go to the bathroom of their chromosome combination, as it is impossible to change one's gender.

    As a conclusion, as one cannot change their gender, then they should use the bathroom of their birth sex.
    This. Your DNA will always reveal your gender. There is no third chromosome combination. Basic biology, really.
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    (Original post by Tiger Rag)
    If they're not disabled, they shouldn't be using the disabled toilet. They're for disabled people.
    If they are not Biologically male they should be not using the male toilets and vice versa.

    And anyway why not just rename the disabled toilets to "Other" or something like that. It solves the issue people have perfectly without having to build more toilets or pander to these people
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    (Original post by Anonymouse 921)
    If you are male you have an XY chromosome, if you are female you have YY chromosomes.
    *******s.
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    (Original post by AperfectBalance)
    If they are not Biologically male they should be not using the male toilets and vice versa.

    And anyway why not just rename the disabled toilets to "Other" or something like that. It solves the issue people have perfectly without having to build more toilets or pander to these people
    But why should a disabled person have to wait for the transgender person to use the toilet? Not all of us can wait.
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    Hell no
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    I think that if they are transgender they should use the cubicle that suits them.
 
 
 
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