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    sorry for late replies haha I was just so engaged in an absolutely fascinating article about Mercian hegemony :rolleyes:

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    Yep I applied to Newnham where have you applied? (I also make absolutely amazing egg soldiers, not just decent... )


    From what I can remember, I read the sources and made a quick plan of points I could compare and contrast. Then each para I did generally corresponded to one of these points. If analysis of provenance fit into a certain para (i.e. if it added/detracted validity to a certain point), I'd include it, but otherwise you could analyse it at the end (but I would defo say analyse it!)

    I did like a seriously basic intro and conclusion haha. I would really advise jotting down a plan so you structure your thoughts beforehand - that makes intros much easier, bc you know what you're going to discuss then I probably did like 5 lines for a conclusion really just summarising the main points I'd talked abt, and my own personal opinion based on what the sources had told me abt what that 'topic' was like (sorry I can't go into much detail idk if my HAA paper is public yet??)

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    Good thing about HAA is that you can say pretty much anything for that very reason if you don't know the context, you're forced to make (logical) guesses (sorry ""inferences"") abt how it could have affected the source.

    E.g. if the question is about idk the nature of a political party in a certain period, and one of the sources was emphasising the position of said party on a certain matter to its own members, you could suggest that there was growing factionalism within that meant party leadership had to reassert its stance (sorry this is a bit of a rubbish example but I can't think of anything else :')). You could be completely wrong, but as you know nothing about the actual context, that is a perfectly legitimate inference that shows you're able to think critically about what the sources could mean
    Ah Ruth back at it again ❤️

    I see what you mean about inferences, thanks for that.

    Did you bother evaluating whether the source was reliable? Like essentially its limitations as a primary source for understanding that particular period/issue in question. Think AS History when we had to use our own knowledge to basically roast the source for “failing to mention this/that” etc.
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    But how do you evaluate the provenance without knowing any historical context?? 😳
    If I remember rightly I honestly just made an educated, substantiated guess.
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    Ah Ruth back at it again ❤️

    I see what you mean about inferences, thanks for that.

    Did you bother evaluating whether the source was reliable? Like essentially its limitations as a primary source for understanding that particular period/issue in question. Think AS History when we had to use our own knowledge to basically roast the source for “failing to mention this/that” etc.
    I personally did yeah, like if I thought something might be bias and therefore not saying something I said so.
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    Ah Ruth back at it again ❤️

    I see what you mean about inferences, thanks for that.

    Did you bother evaluating whether the source was reliable? Like essentially its limitations as a primary source for understanding that particular period/issue in question. Think AS History when we had to use our own knowledge to basically roast the source for “failing to mention this/that” etc.
    hahaaaa back at it again doing no work ur right - ur message earlier called me out so much haha i was literally reading it so i didn't have to do my essay lmao

    Any discussion of the provenance will probably relate to reliability tbh because it's the aspect of the source where you can discuss the reliability of its author(s) (and thus the source itself). Because you don't know context it's obviously harder to be able to discuss its limitations in failing to address certain topics etc BUT that is definitely something that should be addressed if gaps are highlighted by the other source and there's potential bias. So if they're both from the same period, and one source discusses the appalling conditions in a city that led to urban revolt, then the other source also discusses motives behind said revolt but doesn't even mention living standards, then that is obvs something you can pick up on in affecting the utility and value of the source. But stuff like that is limited bc you literally don't have your own knowledge, so don't worry too much if you can't comment in that way

    It is always possible to comment on reliability of the source itself if it's obvious it's dramatised or underemphasised - so if there's tonnes of emotive language in there, it's fair to comment that this could suggest an inaccurate representation of the topic (and then u can discuss why the source might want to use such language etc)

    does that even answer the question haha
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    Did you do any revision or practice for the test other than the specimen? I know you're not expected to know anything in advance, but what sorts of things did you do to prepare yourself for the test.

    And Ruthie2267, I've applied to Selwyn.
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    SteamboatMickey Ruthie2267


    Did you do any revision or practice for the test other than the specimen? I know you're not expected to know anything in advance, but what sorts of things did you do to prepare yourself for the test.

    And Ruthie2267, I've applied to Selwyn.
    I did the LNAT and I found that pretty useful for section one, and for the sources, I went through these basic exercises just to get me thinking a bit more widely. I have to say Ruth and I are friends (in real life now we're both at Cambridge together) and helped each other a bit with preparation
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    I personally did yeah, like if I thought something might be bias and therefore not saying something I said so.
    (Original post by SteamboatMickey)
    I personally did yeah, like if I thought something might be bias and therefore not saying something I said so.
    Thanks for that! Did you have an entire separate paragraph for it or did you interweave it with your thematic analysis? Sorry for the questions, I can be a bit pedantic 😂
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    SteamboatMickey Ruthie2267


    Did you do any revision or practice for the test other than the specimen? I know you're not expected to know anything in advance, but what sorts of things did you do to prepare yourself for the test.

    And Ruthie2267, I've applied to Selwyn.
    I borrowed my friend's bmat book which has like the comprehension type tasks in them (part 1 of the HAA), and you can find loads of them on LNAT/BMAT past papers . Also there are source exercises on the cambridge history faculty website that I looked through; they're designed to help you ask questions and try and find answers from sources you have no knowledge of which is p useful for HAA

    apart from that nah - I asked my history teacher to set me some source analysis questions but she never got round to doing it, but if you want more practice you can always just practice source comparisons from your own studies

    good luck!! newnham is literally round the corner - it's such a lovely college! (selwyn that is, not newnham (altho newnham is also lovely ))
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    (Original post by Ruthie2267)
    hahaaaa back at it again doing no work ur right - ur message earlier called me out so much haha i was literally reading it so i didn't have to do my essay lmao

    Any discussion of the provenance will probably relate to reliability tbh because it's the aspect of the source where you can discuss the reliability of its author(s) (and thus the source itself). Because you don't know context it's obviously harder to be able to discuss its limitations in failing to address certain topics etc BUT that is definitely something that should be addressed if gaps are highlighted by the other source and there's potential bias. So if they're both from the same period, and one source discusses the appalling conditions in a city that led to urban revolt, then the other source also discusses motives behind said revolt but doesn't even mention living standards, then that is obvs something you can pick up on in affecting the utility and value of the source. But stuff like that is limited bc you literally don't have your own knowledge, so don't worry too much if you can't comment in that way

    It is always possible to comment on reliability of the source itself if it's obvious it's dramatised or underemphasised - so if there's tonnes of emotive language in there, it's fair to comment that this could suggest an inaccurate representation of the topic (and then u can discuss why the source might want to use such language etc)

    does that even answer the question haha
    Yes omg thank you! It never occurred to me that I could use the other source to highlight what’s lacking in the one I’m addressing. Tysm
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    Thanks for that! Did you have an entire separate paragraph for it or did you interweave it with your thematic analysis? Sorry for the questions, I can be a bit pedantic 😂
    I interweaved it with my analysis, but for my actual A-Level exams I did a separate paragraph just to secure those marks
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    (Original post by Ruthie2267)
    I borrowed my friend's bmat book which has like the comprehension type tasks in them (part 1 of the HAA), and you can find loads of them on LNAT/BMAT past papers . Also there are source exercises on the cambridge history faculty website that I looked through; they're designed to help you ask questions and try and find answers from sources you have no knowledge of which is p useful for HAA

    apart from that nah - I asked my history teacher to set me some source analysis questions but she never got round to doing it, but if you want more practice you can always just practice source comparisons from your own studies

    good luck!! newnham is literally round the corner - it's such a lovely college!
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    (Original post by SteamboatMickey)
    I did the LNAT and I found that pretty useful for section one, and for the sources, I went through these basic exercises just to get me thinking a bit more widely. I have to say Ruth and I are friends (in real life now we're both at Cambridge together) and helped each other a bit with preparation
    aka u helped me with prep whilst i cried (and then we both cried together for the next year)
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    Bias detected
    damn you caught me before i edited my message :'(
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    aka u helped me with prep whilst i cried (and then we both cried together for the next year)
    I couldn't have gotten through Year 13 without you tbh I need to buy you a drink sometime

    BTW how pretty is the sky over Cambridge this evening?
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    damn you caught me before i edited my message :'(
    My refreshing page skills (read: procrastination skills) are too strong
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    I couldn't have gotten through Year 13 without you tbh I need to buy you a drink sometime

    BTW how pretty is the sky over Cambridge this evening?
    <3 a diet coke for me from spoons would be brill

    it's so lovely!! red sky at night and all that (pity i'll be in the library all day tomorrow if it's a lovely day......)
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    <3 a diet coke for me from spoons would be brill

    it's so lovely!! red sky at night and all that (pity i'll be in the library all day tomorrow if it's a lovely day......)
    Definitely! I'll get a classic coke. (I didn't know you didn't drink either or do you just not drink much?)

    Aw, that's sad! I have archery at 8 am but I'll be studying the rest of the day too
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    Aw, that's sad! I have archery at 8 am but I'll be studying the rest of the day too
    Don't forget you get an extra hour tomorrow

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    Hi all,
    The HAA claims to be split into two, 1-hour sections. Does anyone know if these times are just what Cambridge recommends or do the invigilators actively tell you to stop writing in the first section and move on?
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    Hi all,
    The HAA claims to be split into two, 1-hour sections. Does anyone know if these times are just what Cambridge recommends or do the invigilators actively tell you to stop writing in the first section and move on?
    The sections are timed. Each section paper says "Please wait to be told you may begin before turning this page"
 
 
 
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