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    (Original post by Demesne7)
    Have you guys tried the 2016 paper?? Am I the only one who struggled to structure a response to the extracts on duelling? :/ I found so little to talk about..

    I’m starting to panic for Thursday...
    I did too! I was fine with section 1, but I definitely found section 2 harder than the specimen - I feel like I didn't answer the question properly and had really random paragraphs, and I ran out of time! I found almost too much to talk about, it was just that very little of what I wanted to talk about was about duelling

    I've just done the 2016 paper this morning and I wish I'd done it earlier because it has definitely panicked me, when I really wanted to just go in feeling as relaxed as possible.
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    I did too! I was fine with section 1, but I definitely found section 2 harder than the specimen - I feel like I didn't answer the question properly and had really random paragraphs, and I ran out of time! I found almost too much to talk about, it was just that very little of what I wanted to talk about was about duelling

    I've just done the 2016 paper this morning and I wish I'd done it earlier because it has definitely panicked me, when I really wanted to just go in feeling as relaxed as possible.
    Its reassuring to know that someone’s in the same boat! I also left the 2016 paper for this morning and regret it a lot now

    How did you structure your response may I ask? Was it based on similarities vs differences paragraph bc I had that structure in mind before sitting the paper yet I failed to properly implement it for that particular response.. & what themes did you pick up on?

    I can rlly feel the anxiety kicking in
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    (Original post by Demesne7)
    Its reassuring to know that someone’s in the same boat! I also left the 2016 paper for this morning and regret it a lot now

    How did you structure your response may I ask? Was it based on similarities vs differences paragraph bc I had that structure in mind before sitting the paper yet I failed to properly implement it for that particular response.. & what themes did you pick up on?

    I can rlly feel the anxiety kicking in
    I generally try to have paragraphs based on common themes, and then go through similarities and differences within them. I found this quite tricky for the duelling sources so I think my paragraphs are a bit dodgy, but I did a paragraph on the personal nature of politics (and then went into how duelling was seen as a way of solving political-->personal disputes in extract 1, but this was no longer acceptable in extract 2), changing attitudes towards violence (seems more acceptable in extract 1, much less in extract 2), and how publicly conducted politics (seems much more private in extract 1, you dont get the reasons for the dispute etc, whereas in extract the writer is making the disagreement public knowledge, discrediting the other guy etc). I tried to look at all these themes through the lens of the views on duelling, but that got worse and worse as I ran out of time

    I also tried to look at provenance a bit, like how the press seems quite tightly controlled in extract 1, and in extract 2 it could be more the writers agenda against the guy that challenged him/trying to discredit him, than his views on duelling, but again it definitely got worse and worse throughout my answer!
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    (Original post by soozeywoo)
    I generally try to have paragraphs based on common themes, and then go through similarities and differences within them. I found this quite tricky for the duelling sources so I think my paragraphs are a bit dodgy, but I did a paragraph on the personal nature of politics (and then went into how duelling was seen as a way of solving political-->personal disputes in extract 1, but this was no longer acceptable in extract 2), changing attitudes towards violence (seems more acceptable in extract 1, much less in extract 2), and how publicly conducted politics (seems much more private in extract 1, you dont get the reasons for the dispute etc, whereas in extract the writer is making the disagreement public knowledge, discrediting the other guy etc). I tried to look at all these themes through the lens of the views on duelling, but that got worse and worse as I ran out of time

    I also tried to look at provenance a bit, like how the press seems quite tightly controlled in extract 1, and in extract 2 it could be more the writers agenda against the guy that challenged him/trying to discredit him, than his views on duelling, but again it definitely got worse and worse throughout my answer!
    Upon reading your response, it definitely seems like you've got this handled better than me! (if that's any consolation lol)

    I picked up on your initial theme of duelling seen as a way to solve disputes (the obvious one ) but the rest was all a mess! I went on about irrelevant themes like 'democracy in Britain' wtf? (desperate times haha)

    I definitely think the difficulty was trying to interpret the themes through the lens of duelling as you mentioned. Which explains why I delved into other themes without that link back to their views on duelling. Your points on provenance are good tho! Never hit me the time I was writing it

    Honestly, I just really really hope the sources this Thursday are more decent to interpret, and that the similarities and differences are more discernible.
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    (Original post by Demesne7)
    Upon reading your response, it definitely seems like you've got this handled better than me! (if that's any consolation lol)

    I picked up on your initial theme of duelling seen as a way to solve disputes (the obvious one ) but the rest was all a mess! I went on about irrelevant themes like 'democracy in Britain' wtf? (desperate times haha)

    I definitely think the difficulty was trying to interpret the themes through the lens of duelling as you mentioned. Which explains why I delved into other themes without that link back to their views on duelling. Your points on provenance are good tho! Never hit me the time I was writing it

    Honestly, I just really really hope the sources this Thursday are more decent to interpret, and that the similarities and differences are more discernible.
    I applied to Oxford for straight History last year (I'm now applying to Cambridge for History and Modern Languages... I'll end up the ultimate oxbridge reject lmao), so I did the HAT, which means I've got a bit of experience! My History teacher did some really good lunchtime sessions on how to handle the source questions, and some of the stuff has been transferable haha.

    Also the little bit of information above the first extract gave me the idea for the violence paragraph, and pushed me more towards writing about politics, so I can't take all the credit
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    (Original post by soozeywoo)
    I applied to Oxford for straight History last year (I'm now applying to Cambridge for History and Modern Languages... I'll end up the ultimate oxbridge reject lmao), so I did the HAT, which means I've got a bit of experience! My History teacher did some really good lunchtime sessions on how to handle the source questions, and some of the stuff has been transferable haha.

    Also the little bit of information above the first extract gave me the idea for the violence paragraph, and pushed me more towards writing about politics, so I can't take all the credit
    Tbh I completely ignored that info even tho they likely put it there for a reason 😂

    ooh, best of luck for this time round! Which college did you go for?
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    (Original post by Demesne7)
    Tbh I completely ignored that info even tho they likely put it there for a reason 😂

    ooh, best of luck for this time round! Which college did you go for?
    Thanks!! I went for Queens' in the end, although I nearly chose Christ's. What about you?
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    Thanks!! I went for Queens' in the end, although I nearly chose Christ's. What about you?
    Great choice tbh. I did actually entertain Queens' but ultimately settled for the smaller kind, Sidney Sussex. :P I kinda liked the more intimate feel.

    honestly tho they're all amazing and i'd be over the moon wherever
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    (Original post by Demesne7)
    Great choice tbh. I did actually entertain Queens' but ultimately settled for the smaller kind, Sidney Sussex. :P I kinda liked the more intimate feel.

    honestly tho they're all amazing and i'd be over the moon wherever
    Same, I really don't mind where I end up!
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    Hey guys! Just wanted to give everybody a huge GOOD LUCK for tomorrow try not to worry too much - if the HAA doesn't go well, it's not the end of the world, and you've probably done better than you think you have anyway 😊
    I'll be thinking of you all tomorrow!! Get enough sleep and eat breakfast (and remember highlighters! )
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    I know I'm late, I've had some supervision work to do, but GOOD LUCK!!!
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    Definitely, it wasn’t easy- but I thought the 2016 paper was tougher. I had no idea for the first and last bit of the first section, but luckily I knew about one of the section and the essay question in the second session so I think that went alright. (We're not allowed to put specifically what the topics were right?)
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    (We're not allowed to put specifically what the topics were right?)
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    Definitely, it wasn’t easy- but I thought the 2016 paper was tougher. I had no idea for the first and last bit of the first section, but luckily I knew about one of the section and the essay question in the second session so I think that went alright. (We're not allowed to put specifically what the topics were right?)
    I won't put the topic, but I thought section 2 was quite obscure and difficult. Well done to you tho
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    I thought the second section was easier than the 2016 paper but the first section was harder. Ended up with a lot of As and Cs
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    Haha, I am worried I used too much of my own knowledge in it and didn't use enough of the source, and I thought it was hard to evaluate the first source. Yeah I know what you mean I think I had A in a row 3 times. I think I would have found duelling too hard.
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    It might be a good thing you used your own knowledge though because at least it shows you've done extra reading. I don't think I used any own knowledge
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    guys i really messed up Section 1 i just blanked out and ran out of time, so ended up guessing most answers. - It was terrible imo Section 2 was marginally better (as in, I preferred it to last year's thing on Duelling) but don't think my response was any good.

    Honestly, at this point, I don't think i'll even make it to interview stage...
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    It might be a good thing you used your own knowledge though because at least it shows you've done extra reading. I don't think I used any own knowledge
    nah they specifically state that they don't expect you to have any knowledge. Also, with less extra knowledge you rely more on the source which will score you better.
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    (Original post by Demesne7)
    guys i really messed up Section 1 i just blanked out and ran out of time, so ended up guessing most answers. - It was terrible imo Section 2 was marginally better (as in, I preferred it to last year's thing on Duelling) but don't think my response was any good.

    Honestly, at this point, I don't think i'll even make it to interview stage...
    I asked the Christ's Admissions Tutor and he said that even if you score just under average, you can still get an interview. I think I read somewhere that the admissions tests are only a significant factor if you do significantly badly or well.
 
 
 
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