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    I know conventional wisdom stays to steer clear from potentially controversial stuff in your CV, which shisha is a grey area on, but I'm considering including that I smoke shisha in my spare time (I don't actually use the word "smoke" in the CV) on the basis that as a 20-something young person applying to a part-time retail position in hip retail stores, it's a very hip/young person thing to do, and will humanise me to the recruiters I'm handing the CVs out to more than anything else.

    The rest of my CV is fairly geeky/dry, so I think that humanising element might be needed, just to prove I'm a fit for the culture. In addition, shisha isn't all that uncommon as a past-time in the UK nowadays, and it's not far off from being as normal as going to the cinema.

    The line that mentions it in my CV is in the Interests section:

    ...and when not doing that, I enjoy going out with friends for shisha or a movie (preferably both).
    Based on the above justifications (and please do bother reading them if you're gonna reply to this thread), what are others' thoughts on this? Am I more likely to see success by leaving it out than I am by leaving it on?

    Even better, does anyone know of a website/place where it would be possible to ask actual retail recruiters questions like this directly?

    Thanks in advance.
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    Don't do it.
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    (Original post by jambojim97)
    Don't do it.
    Because...?
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    (Original post by Jackahz)
    Whatever you do, do NOT include shisha XD
    Did you read the whole of the post? If you did, what exactly is it that you think would still be a bad idea about it in light of my reasons for doing so?

    As already mentioned, I already understand the conventional wisdom, so I don't really have time for people replying to this thread repeating it to me based on what their personal tutor has always told them. I'm attempting to dig a little deeper than that here.
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    (Original post by The_Architect)
    I know conventional wisdom stays to steer clear from potentially controversial stuff in your CV, which shisha is a grey area on, but I'm considering including that I smoke shisha in my spare time (I don't actually use the word "smoke" in the CV) on the basis that as a 20-something young person applying to a part-time retail position in hip retail stores, it's a very hip/young person thing to do, and will humanise me to the recruiters I'm handing the CVs out to more than anything else.

    The rest of my CV is fairly geeky/dry, so I think that humanising element might be needed, just to prove I'm a fit for the culture. In addition, shisha isn't all that uncommon as a past-time in the UK nowadays, and it's not far off from being as normal as going to the cinema.

    Based on the above justifications (and please do bother reading those if you're gonna reply to this thread), what are others' thoughts on this? Am I more likely to see success by leaving it out than I am by leaving it on?

    Even better, does anyone know of a website/place where it would be possible to ask actual retail recruiters questions like this directly?

    Thanks in advance.
    Whatever you do, do NOT include shisha XD
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    no offence, but this is a horrible idea. show you're humanising by adding things like you're active or go to the gym not that you smoke shisha mate. it's like including drinking as a hobby in your CV, you just don't do it
    (Original post by The_Architect)
    I know conventional wisdom stays to steer clear from potentially controversial stuff in your CV, which shisha is a grey area on, but I'm considering including that I smoke shisha in my spare time (I don't actually use the word "smoke" in the CV) on the basis that as a 20-something young person applying to a part-time retail position in hip retail stores, it's a very hip/young person thing to do, and will humanise me to the recruiters I'm handing the CVs out to more than anything else.

    The rest of my CV is fairly geeky/dry, so I think that humanising element might be needed, just to prove I'm a fit for the culture. In addition, shisha isn't all that uncommon as a past-time in the UK nowadays, and it's not far off from being as normal as going to the cinema.

    Based on the above justifications (and please do bother reading those if you're gonna reply to this thread), what are others' thoughts on this? Am I more likely to see success by leaving it out than I am by leaving it on?

    Even better, does anyone know of a website/place where it would be possible to ask actual retail recruiters questions like this directly?

    Thanks in advance.
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    (Original post by The_Architect)
    Did you read the whole of the post? If you did, what exactly is it that you think would still be a bad idea about it in light of my reasons for doing so?

    As already mentioned, I already understand the conventional wisdom, so I don't really have time for people replying to this thread repeating it to me based on what they've always been told. I'm attempting to dig a little deeper than that here.
    You're better off putting better recreational hobbies in your CV, e.g. socialising with friends or a sport or maybe an instrument, you're probably thinking of being 'unique' or maybe 'different' from others by putting this, but just keep it simple.
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    the only time where this is plausible is when you're applying to work in a shisha lounge
    (Original post by The_Architect)
    I know conventional wisdom stays to steer clear from potentially controversial stuff in your CV, which shisha is a grey area on, but I'm considering including that I smoke shisha in my spare time (I don't actually use the word "smoke" in the CV) on the basis that as a 20-something young person applying to a part-time retail position in hip retail stores, it's a very hip/young person thing to do, and will humanise me to the recruiters I'm handing the CVs out to more than anything else.

    The rest of my CV is fairly geeky/dry, so I think that humanising element might be needed, just to prove I'm a fit for the culture. In addition, shisha isn't all that uncommon as a past-time in the UK nowadays, and it's not far off from being as normal as going to the cinema.

    Based on the above justifications (and please do bother reading those if you're gonna reply to this thread), what are others' thoughts on this? Am I more likely to see success by leaving it out than I am by leaving it on?

    Even better, does anyone know of a website/place where it would be possible to ask actual retail recruiters questions like this directly?

    Thanks in advance.
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    (Original post by Jackahz)
    You're better off putting better recreational hobbies in your CV, e.g. socialising with friends or a sport or maybe an instrument, you're probably thinking of being 'unique' or maybe 'different' from others by putting this, but just keep it simple.
    That's great, but literally every other job seeker out there is "keeping it simple" with the same thought process, so that's terrible advice for actually writing a CV that'll get a job. I'm putting it on there because it's the truth and for the reasons mentioned in my OP. I've included it as part of a line in the Interests section: "...and when not doing that, I enjoy going out with friends for shisha or a movie (preferably both)". I could put any of the others you mentioned instead, but none of them would be true.
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    (Original post by The_Architect)
    I know conventional wisdom stays to steer clear from potentially controversial stuff in your CV, which shisha is a grey area on, but I'm considering including that I smoke shisha in my spare time (I don't actually use the word "smoke" in the CV) on the basis that as a 20-something young person applying to a part-time retail position in hip retail stores, it's a very hip/young person thing to do, and will humanise me to the recruiters I'm handing the CVs out to more than anything else.

    The rest of my CV is fairly geeky/dry, so I think that humanising element might be needed, just to prove I'm a fit for the culture. In addition, shisha isn't all that uncommon as a past-time in the UK nowadays, and it's not far off from being as normal as going to the cinema.

    Based on the above justifications (and please do bother reading those if you're gonna reply to this thread), what are others' thoughts on this? Am I more likely to see success by leaving it out than I am by leaving it on?

    Even better, does anyone know of a website/place where it would be possible to ask actual retail recruiters questions like this directly?

    Thanks in advance.
    DUDE NO WTF
    it's not going to 'humanise' you it's going to make you look like a bored stoner loser or worse a legit drug addict. no matter where you're applying, you have to make yourself seem professional and responsible, even if you risk sounding dry. save the 'personality' for the interview stage. if i owned or managed a store, the last thing i'd want to see on a CV was someone saying they did nothing but smoke in their spare time. idc if it's "normal", i'd dislike it if someone put that all they did was go to the cinema.
    make yourself seem responsible, professional and earnest. you can put that you're readily available or that you're not very experienced but willing to learn ANYTHING
    but don't put something that people look down on or could see as negative.
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    (Original post by The_Architect)
    That's great, but literally every other job seeker out there is "keeping it simple" with the same thought process, so that's terrible advice for actually writing a CV that'll get a job. I'm putting it on there because it's the truth and for the reasons mentioned in my OP. I've included it as part of a line in the Interests section: "...and when not doing that, I enjoy going out with friends for shisha or a movie (preferably both)". I could put any of the others instead, but none of them would be true.
    You really don't want to make your CV too complex, you want the employer to be able to understand it, it's not an essay, I'd be careful mentioning shisha, (it's not considered a healthy thing to do that's why)
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    no offence, but this is a horrible idea. show you're humanising by adding things like you're active or go to the gym not that you smoke shisha mate. it's like including drinking as a hobby in your CV, you just don't do it
    That's a fair point, actually. I suppose people do indirectly put drinking on their CVs, with stuff like "socialising with friends", but not explicitly.
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    I don't think it's a terrible idea but these are generally 'boring' hobbies to include on a CV. Your manager would not care if you masturbated in your spare time or if you decided to watch the cricket with your friends. You do not have to be specific with what you do with friends in your spare time, being explicit like that would probably be more suitable on a dating profile. Simply say you like to wind down the week with friends after work, or something else along the lines.

    What IS good to put under your hobbies section are things that are relevant to your role, so if you work in retail, you could perhaps be blogging latest fashion trends. If you don't do that, then take it up as a new hobby.
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    DUDE NO WTF
    it's not going to 'humanise' you it's going to make you look like a bored stoner loser or worse a legit drug addict. no matter where you're applying, you have to make yourself seem professional and responsible, even if you risk sounding dry. save the 'personality' for the interview stage. if i owned or managed a store, the last thing i'd want to see on a CV was someone saying they did nothing but smoke in their spare time. idc if it's "normal", i'd dislike it if someone put that all they did was go to the cinema.
    make yourself seem responsible, professional and earnest. you can put that you're readily available or that you're not very experienced but willing to learn ANYTHING
    but don't put something that people look down on or could see as negative.
    *sigh* Sometimes I forget TSR's average demographic
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    (Original post by The_Architect)
    *sigh* Sometimes I forget TSR's average demographic
    If you ask for people's advice on something, then don't like their advice, there's a good chance you were just looking for reassurance instead.

    On another note, your CV is more cold hard data(employment+education) than a life story. Leave that for your cover letter if it's actually a relevant hobby to the job.
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    No, it's a ridiculous thing to put on a cv. Surely you've got something more interesting/relevant to go on there?
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    I mean, go for it, if you're happy with not finding a job, I guess.
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    (Original post by The_Architect)
    *sigh* Sometimes I forget TSR's average demographic
    boo hoo.
    at the risk of continually repeating myself until you get it, it's a bad idea. by including it on your CV you're saying to employers that you deem it important and integral enough to who you are as a person and future employee that you felt it necessary to include in a job application. that's sending warning bells up in the minds of every employer who just wants a reliable, hardworking 20-something to man the tills or fetch stock from the back.
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    If you ask for people's advice on something, then don't like their advice, there's a good chance you were just looking for reassurance instead.
    Nothing to do with not liking the advice I'm getting - if you read up you'll see many more have responded with genuine criticisms, some of which I agree with, and they've done so by actually reading my OP and responding to the justifications on my part in that. In that post, I was laughing to myself at the over the top post, and that smoking shisha in a social context can make you a "a stoner" and a "drug addict", and then I remembered that a significant portion of TSR is made up of middle-class kids who don't tend to venture outside much.

    On another note, your CV is more cold hard data(employment+education) than a life story. Leave that for your cover letter if it's actually a relevant hobby to the job.
    No, it's a ridiculous thing to put on a cv. Surely you've got something more interesting/relevant to go on there?
    Most CV writing sites/guides/tutorials/advisers that I've gone through - and it's a lot at this point - suggest including an Interests/Hobbies section, and at the very least, there is no consensus that a CV should not contain that information. Not everything on a CV has to be relevant to the job at hand. This is nothing new, and these kind of baseless criticisms are exactly why I asked people to read the justifications in my OP and respond to those directly with convincing arguments.
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      (Original post by The_Architect)
      In that post, I was laughing to myself at the over the top post, and that smoking shisha in a social context can make you a "a stoner" and a "drug addict", and then I remembered that a significant portion of TSR is made up of middle-class kids who don't tend to venture outside much.
      You realise there's a not tiny chance that recruiters might look at shisha in the same way? Doesn't matter how stupid of a view it is, it is definitely something they could still believe.
     
     
     
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