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    (Original post by Quantex)
    His growing popularity is indicative of the utter dearth of talent and ideas in the Conservative Party. People are looking at him as the socially conservative Jeremy Corbyn, but I'm not sure trying to alienate more moderate voters is what the Conservative Party needs.
    Well the thinking here is that one of big reasons we lost our majority is that we barely talked about the economy. If Mogg had a more economy orientated campaign and actually came up with ambitious stuff on housing then the idea goes that social policy will be lower down the set of voting priorities.

    I don't per say agree with the logic entirely (though i do think avoiding the economy cost us a majority) but i can see the general jist. Most of the electorate are not social justice warriors even if they have a mild preference for some liberal stuff.

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    Hi there!

    What I would like to know is the student youth's opinion about JRM, and if you think he would be suitable for the top spot in parliament as PM. Feel free to discuss policies, his own views etc. Thanks!
    I like the guy and would give him a cabinet slot however he is not my preferred PM.
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    (Original post by AllonsEnfants!)
    He is against same-sex marriage and abortion because he is a Catholic, that does not make him 'a piece of ****''.

    You appear to take the view that others can hold any view you like on same-sex marriage and the same with abortion. How very reasonable of you
    It's her opinion that he is a piece of sh*t, moron. And many people hold that same opinion given the exact same reasons listed.
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    (Original post by Knightoflogic)
    its not a crime to have different views to other people. he has every right to feel and think that way. just because hard left snowflakes can't deal with any other views but their own. good for him!
    And she has every right to her opinion, that he is a piece of sh*t lol. That's not a crime is it??
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    He's got maybe a few interesting ideas that should be in the debate however he's really a bit of a tool who's unwilling to adapt or change and that'll ultimately be the reason why he'll never become anymore than a bit of a social media craze.

    It's a bit of a shame and a relief at the same time.
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    (Original post by charliertn)
    Hi there!

    What I would like to know is the student youth's opinion about JRM, and if you think he would be suitable for the top spot in parliament as PM. Feel free to discuss policies, his own views etc. Thanks!
    His surname is funny
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    JRM is a stupid person's idea of what intelligence is. Just like Stephen Fry etc. I recently watched JRM and Rory Stewart MP debate morality for two hours in the commons, Stewart was incredibly intellectual working metaphysical ideas into practice. While JRM sporadically chimed in with half-baked points as if all his wisdom and authority is supposed to derive from his received pronunciation and the odd piece of Tudor history.
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    (Original post by spidle)
    And she has every right to her opinion, that he is a piece of sh*t lol. That's not a crime is it??
    It is not a crime, but it is narrow minded and intolerant, bigoted even.

    I believe in same sex marriage and abortion myself, but respect the right of Catholics to disagree with me on religious grounds. That makes them profoundly wrong in my eyes but not pieces of ****.

    She conflates holding a view she doesn't share with a character flaw. She isn't alone in that, but it is very depressing.
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    He's one of the last remaining Thatcherites so that's a great thing in my book.

    On the other hand, he doesn't recognise that Brexiters and this... "movement" aren't free-marketeers and don't intend to get Britain globally engaged post-Brexit. They're mostly protectionist, they just want handouts and subsidies for "their" own "kind", not open, international competition and a meritocratic economy.
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    (Original post by spidle)
    It's her opinion that he is a piece of sh*t, moron. And many people hold that same opinion given the exact same reasons listed.
    "It's her opinion that he is a piece of sh*t, moron"


    It's people like you who make TSR such a pleasant place.

    You clearly are an avid reader of Dale Carnegie.:aetsch:
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    (Original post by AllonsEnfants!)
    "It's her opinion that he is a piece of sh*t, moron"


    It's people like you who make TSR such a pleasant place.

    You clearly are an avid reader of Dale Carnegie.:aetsch:
    My point still stands. You said before it's his views because he is a Catholic, but there are many Catholics who accept same sex marriage and abortion because there is nothing wrong with it. Just because he is a Catholic shouldn't make his beliefs a bit backwards.
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    (Original post by spidle)
    My point still stands. You said before it's his views because he is a Catholic, but there are many Catholics who accept same sex marriage and abortion because there is nothing wrong with it. Just because he is a Catholic shouldn't make his beliefs a bit backwards.
    Ah, pleased to see that you've got your Coprolalia under control now.

    Whether there is anything wrong with same-sex marriage and abortion depends entirely on your personal belief system.

    He is not against same-sex relationships; only same-sex marriage because he believes, as a Catholic, that marriage is a sacrament and the definition of marriage is down to the Church, not Parliament. It's not the same sex bit that bothers him, but the marriage bit.

    And, as a Catholic, he believes that life begins at conception. Hence he is against abortion, even in the case of rape.

    Whilst I don't agree with his views, I admire him being open about them rather than altering them to win votes. I admired Corbyn when he first ran for the Labour leadership for doing the same despite all and sundry telling him that he could never be elected holding such views.
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    My psychiatrist told me to stop thinking about A**holes, so i try not to think about JRM
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    (Original post by charliertn)
    Hi there!

    What I would like to know is the student youth's opinion about JRM, and if you think he would be suitable for the top spot in parliament as PM. Feel free to discuss policies, his own views etc. Thanks!
    I remember watching a repeat of Ali G on channel 4 more than a decade ago before he became an MP and being famous. I thought he was some sort of piss-taking Historian or something because he didn't he realise he was pranked by Ali G. He Should be prime Minister right now.... by launching a coup on Theresa May.

    Then when a general election comes, he will lose badly, and Jeremy Corbyn finally becomes prime minister with a strong majority and make this country a Socialist Country. Can't see the electorate voting for a pile of **** homophobic idiot who is so out of touch in the world.
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    I find him extremely overrated, his voting record is atrocious!
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    (Original post by Quiet Benin)
    I remember watching a repeat of Ali G on channel 4 more than a decade ago before he became an MP and being famous. I thought he was some sort of piss-taking Historian or something because he didn't he realise he was pranked by Ali G. He Should be prime Minister right now.... by launching a coup on Theresa May.

    Then when a general election comes, he will lose badly, and Jeremy Corbyn finally becomes prime minister with a strong majority and make this country a Sot cialisCountry. Can't see the electorate voting for a pile of **** homophobic idiot who is so out of touch in the world.
    Many could not see the electorate voting for somebody who does not support the union, does not support NATO and does not support the monarchy.

    Don't be too complacent.
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    (Original post by charliertn)
    Hi there!

    What I would like to know is the student youth's opinion about JRM, and if you think he would be suitable for the top spot in parliament as PM. Feel free to discuss policies, his own views etc. Thanks!
    I am not "youth" but Rees-Mogg has not been tested by any of the difficult decisions that politicians in office have to make.

    Even his views on abortion have not really been tested. He might say that as a Catholic he opposes abortion in all circumstances but what happens when it is the stroke of his pen that decides whether money is spent on abortion clinics or not? IDS, as a devout Catholic Welfare Secretary, signed off on restricting Child Benefit for multiple children and payments to single mothers knowing that his actions would increase abortion. That isn't hypocrisy. That is a hard choice.
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    (Original post by bones-mccoy)
    Bloke is against same-sex marriage and abortion, even in cases of rape. Piece of ****.
    This.
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    He's great! He'd have my unhesitating vote for the Tory leadership if he ran for it.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Many could not see the electorate voting for somebody who does not support the union, does not support NATO and does not support the monarchy.

    Don't be too complacent.
    Yes, you were one of those people!

    The reason people vote for Corbyn is because he talks about issues that are actually important to them like health, housing, job security, public services etc. While you were obsessed with non-issues, such as making out he would leave NATO, others were looking at a failed housing market. While Tories were going on and on about the IRA, young graduates and even middle class professionals were seeing their costs of living rise while their wages were stagnating. The Tories and the media just don't get Corbyn or his appeal, and they still think they can counter it by going on about the IRA.

    Quite how you think Mogg will sweep up those votes by talking about same sex marriage and abortion, I'm really not sure. Why on earth would anyone under 40 who voted Corbyn, change to Rees Mogg?

    Just as you've done consistently over the last couple of years, you underestimate Corbyn and simply don't understand why people vote for him. When Tories support Rees Moog, it shows more than anything that they have totally run out of ideas.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Yes, you were one of those people!

    The reason people vote for Corbyn is because he talks about issues that are actually important to them like health, housing, job security, public services etc.

    Quite how you think Mogg will sweep up those votes by talking about same sex marriage and abortion, I'm really not sure. Why on earth would anyone under 40 who voted Corbyn, change to Rees Mogg?

    Just as you've done consistently over the last couple of years, you underestimate Corbyn and simply don't understand why people vote for him. When Tories support Rees Moog, it shows more than anything that they have totally run out of ideas.
    But the reality is that for the most part, one party's possibles and another party's possibles are not the same people. Cobyn's vote at the general election didn't come at the expense of May who also increased her vote.
 
 
 
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