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    (Original post by VinnicombeDmv)
    You absolute disgrace of a person. Smacking kids with a ruler in schools was utterly barbaric and whateve the current grade success rates are, it has absolutely nothing to do with a lack of abuse from a grown adult to a defenseless child, you monster. Wanna talk about kids being too thick? Please go look in a mirror. Anyone who thinks bringing back ruler smacking clearly doesn't understand its actual effects.

    If you bring back the cane, you take Britain back.

    But the moment you lay your adult hands on a child, or a ruler, any respect you may have deserved goes straight out the window. In my view, any respect you may have deserved as human being goes straight out the window.
    I'd like to remind you that we live in a world where people still chop off other people's heads for being the wrong religion.

    I think you need just a teeny-tiny bit of perspective.
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    (Original post by Rigmarole)
    Parents and/or guardians have a duty of care to children. If hitting the child is for disciplinary reasons, then in my opinion this fulfillment of the parental/guardian duty. If you don't discipline a child they won't learn right from wrong.
    If you hit them you're teaching them the difference between right and wrong, just the difference between getting hit and not getting hit.
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    (Original post by gapyearlads)
    Why is it ok for a woman to slap a man but when a man slaps a woman back, not even first, just back he gets arrested?
    Where does the law say that, exactly?

    And it has happened multiple times before. Parents' decision how they want to raise their child and that's none of your business. If you have a problem with it then get your own child and raise them differently. But your nose out of other people's lives and business when it has nothing to do with you frankly.
    By that logic, there's no such thing as child abuse, anything a parent decides to do to a child is fair game.
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    (Original post by Rinsed)
    I'd like to remind you that we live in a world where people still chop off other people's heads for being the wrong religion.

    I think you need just a teeny-tiny bit of perspective.
    I don't need any perspective. Just because there are far worse beings in the world doesn't mean the lesser of the evils isn't evil. Smacking a child doesn't compare to beheading, but it is still horrendous nonetheless.
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    (Original post by VinnicombeDmv)
    I don't need any perspective. Just because there are far worse beings in the world doesn't mean the lesser of the evils isn't evil. Smacking a child doesn't compare to beheading, but it is still horrendous nonetheless.
    Not by any meaningful definition of horrendous.

    If a quick rap on the back of the legs is horrendous, and the perpetrator is a monster, what words can you use to describe things which are actually bad?
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    (Original post by IamJacksContempt)
    What's it like still being a virgin?
    You tell me. snowflake.
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    The difficulty with this is if it becomes a 'you can't touch me' rule in practice, or if it becomes used as an argument in custody cases (even if the smacking took place before the law is passed). For me as long as it is banned with an instrument, around the head or near genitalia, I think this is reasonable.
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    So if my child were to swear at me, I'm meant to say "Go to your room!" What's that going to do? They child will realise that all they'd get if they misbehaved was a "go to your room". If you smack the child's hand, they'll be careful. They'll know that there's a consequence to their actions.
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    (Original post by Prince of TSR)

    Anecdotal evidence is useless.
    That's funny cos the only people who seem to think that smacking children works seem to base it on their own anecdotal experiences. There have been plenty of studies which reflect that smacking is a) not a very good parenting technique for punishing and b) can cause future trauma for children and encourage cycles of violence in families.

    Here is some suggested reading:

    https://www.nspcc.org.uk/globalasset...-protected.pdf

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/heal...-research.html
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    (Original post by Slushiii)
    So if my child were to swear at me, I'm meant to say "Go to your room!" What's that going to do? They child will realise that all they'd get if they misbehaved was a "go to your room". If you smack the child's hand, they'll be careful. They'll know that there's a consequence to their actions.
    Oh no, a kid said a word that we've arbitrarily designated as being a "bad" word! Whatever will we do?

    Seriously, that's your go-to example of a need to hit a child?
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    (Original post by anarchism101)
    Oh no, a kid said a word that we've arbitrarily designated as being a "bad" word! Whatever will we do?

    Seriously, that's your go-to example of a need to hit a child?
    I've been hit as a child for less. Never swore at my parents or anything as a kid. Knew what would happen if i did. Smacking worked well on me and my 2 brothers. Was the only way my mum and dad could get me and my brothers to stop knocking 7 hells out of each other.
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    (Original post by Rinsed)
    Not by any meaningful definition of horrendous.

    If a quick rap on the back of the legs is horrendous, and the perpetrator is a monster, what words can you use to describe things which are actually bad?
    Why do I need to have a word to descrive those things, why can't I simply be lost for words when seeing such acts? Again, just because there are far worse things in the world, doesn't mean we should just let slip actions like smacking.

    "Oh,you grew despising your parents and now you take that frustration out on your own kids? Well, at least the kids still have their heads."
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    (Original post by VinnicombeDmv)
    Why do I need to have a word to descrive those things, why can't I simply be lost for words when seeing such acts? Again, just because there are far worse things in the world, doesn't mean we should just let slip actions like smacking.

    "Oh,you grew despising your parents and now you take that frustration out on your own kids? Well, at least the kids still have their heads."
    Because it makes you seem like someone with a tenuous grip on reality.

    To most people, smacking is fine. Beneficial even. Emotional assertions that, actually, it is horrendous is hardly a sensible argument.
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    (Original post by itsfantanoo)
    Reminder: You still haven't refuted my statement about it being discipline as opposed to behaviour. Also, I need evidence.

    Provide these two things and we can continue. Or you can delude yourself into thinking you're right.
    Ah, I thought you'd never ask.

    Here's one, here's another one, both published in one of the most seminal peer-reviewed paediatrics journals in the world. Here's a meta-analysis reviewing results pertaining to more than 160,000 children across a variety of studies spread across the last fifty years, though you'll probably need to have an email address linked to an academic institution to read the papers in full. There are plenty more where that came from, if you feel like reviewing the literature for yourself.

    By 'statement', I presume you mean this one: 'Difference is that smacking is not any old behaviour, it's a form of discipline. It's not spontaneous, it's used in specific situations.' It's not really my job to 'refute' your statement - that's not how science works; a person doesn't get to make an assertion and then demand that other people disprove it. You make a statement, you either have evidence to back it up, or you acknowledge that it's just an opinion.

    Since you ask so petulantly, though, the abstract from the third article should help:

    This article addresses 2 persistent issues, namely whether effect sizes for spanking are distinct from those for physical abuse, and whether effect sizes for spanking are robust to study design differences. Meta-analyses focused specifically on spanking were conducted on a total of 111 unique effect sizes representing 160,927 children. Thirteen of 17 mean effect sizes were significantly different from zero and all indicated a link between spanking and increased risk for detrimental child outcomes. Effect sizes did not substantially differ between spanking and physical abuse or by study design characteristics.
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    They've banned giving them a smack, they can still give them smack though.
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    I guess it won't make sense to say one has been beaten 'like a redheaded stepchild' in scotland anymore. That is a shame. Unless caning and belting children is still legal there, in which case I suppose the saying would still make sense. Hopefully it is, because it is a great saying.
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    (Original post by Rinsed)
    Because it makes you seem like someone with a tenuous grip on reality.

    To most people, smacking is fine. Beneficial even. Emotional assertions that, actually, it is horrendous is hardly a sensible argument.
    Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't violence against a child isn't bad enough, on a global evil scale, to constitute horrendous if your worldview. I mean this as a genuine question, if violence against children isn't horrendous on your book, what else isn't horrendous to you, when compared to atrocities like beheading? Is rape ok? Is murder by shooting ok?

    No, seriously. Are these not horrendous to you? I ask because I see two options here: Either they are simply minor transgressions, when compared on a global scale, and as such need to be treated as only minor transgressions; OR, you care so much about what words someone uses to describes these acts that you focus the conversation on words rather than actions.
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    (Original post by VinnicombeDmv)
    Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't violence against a child isn't bad enough, on a global evil scale, to constitute horrendous if your worldview. I mean this as a genuine question, if violence against children isn't horrendous on your book, what else isn't horrendous to you, when compared to atrocities like beheading? Is rape ok? Is murder by shooting ok?

    No, seriously. Are these not horrendous to you? I ask because I see two options here: Either they are simply minor transgressions, when compared on a global scale, and as such need to be treated as only minor transgressions; OR, you care so much about what words someone uses to describes these acts that you focus the conversation on words rather than actions.
    I wouldn't regard smacking as even a minor transgression to be honest. You're bracketing it inside 'violence' to draw a false equivalence with actual assaults, the use of force which is actually intended to harm. Smacking is explicitly intended not to harm.

    Now, it's perfectly reasonable to oppose smacking on various grounds, but your argument is just to asset that it's violence and all violence is evil and blah blah blah. Your argument has been predicated strongly on semantics, so I make no apology for drawing attention to your gross misuse of words.
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    (Original post by Rinsed)
    I'd like to remind you that we live in a world where people still chop off other people's heads for being the wrong religion.

    I think you need just a teeny-tiny bit of perspective.
    You can justify almost anything in it being not as bad as beheading someone...
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    give a backhand instead
 
 
 
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