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    tbf it probably wouldn't have been that hard to hire somebody actually brown to go undercover. Then again tho if you get somebody actually Pakistani chances are they'd also be a Muslim which would sort of defeat the point. Calling it "deeply offensive" purely on the basis of the going undercover part does seem like an overreaction imo
    (Original post by FriendlyPenguin)
    Channel 4 is becoming more and more a mouth-piece for the far-right
    ...have you ever watched channel 4?

    (Original post by JMR2017)
    Moved to TV shows.
    lmao what a meme
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    (Original post by JMR2017)
    You sound like what National Socialists said about Jewish people in the 30s.
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    (Original post by astutehirstute)
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    Of course, the Holocaust was one of the biggest humanitarian disasters in history, it is important we do not make those mistakes again, with any group.
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    (Original post by JMR2017)
    You sound like what National Socialists said about Jewish people in the 30s.

    "You ****ing Nazi".


    You're part of the problem, the same problem that prevented people reporting on the Rotherham crisis for fear of being called "racist".

    You're the very embodiment of extreme political correctness.
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    (Original post by JMR2017)
    Of course, the Holocaust was one of the biggest humanitarian disasters in history, it is important we do not make those mistakes again, with any group.
    It’s become boring, sad to say. The only historical reference anyone ever makes on the Internet, probably the only one most people are even aware of.

    Since we are talking about a TV programme concerning the Pakistani diaspora in the UK, how about a reference to another humanitarian disaster, arguably equal in scale to the Holocaust? The Muslim conquest of the Indian sub continent?

    There is no Godwin’s Law on that because few people have ever heard of it. Including you, l’ll bet.

    Am I right?

    We have thousands of years of recorded human history and the only historical event anyone talks about is Nazi Germany.
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    (Original post by RightWingLiberal)
    "You ****ing Nazi".


    You're part of the problem, the same problem that prevented people reporting on the Rotherham crisis for fear of being called "racist".

    You're the very embodiment of extreme political correctness.
    OK, but tell me why we should tolerate bullying on a certain group. There is nothing wrong with debating or criticising religion, but saying we need to investigate an entire religion and deal with them, just because of their faith is something the Nazis did, with the Jewish community. OK it could have been that a few Jewish bankers were responsible for the Wall Street Crash and Great Depression, but did that mean the whole Jewish community should be persecuted? Likewise, there are a few Muslims who carry out terrorist attacks, and I do not deny that. I completely condemn these attacks, but this does not mean we need to ban entire religions from our countries, and indeed is a slippery slope to something much worse.
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    Nowadays people are even going as far as saying we should 'abolish Islam', and Katie Hopkins saying we need a 'final solution'. Obviously such things are reminiscent of Nazi Germany.
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    You people dignify this too much, it's just nuts. Look at it this way:

    You're offered a grand or ten to go out 'undercover' (is that code language for burka?) and come back with hard evidence of Islamophobia. How do you go about it?

    All The Guardian offer is the old 'being lumped with terrorists' stuff. Ridiculous, for all their pains that is it.
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    (Original post by FriendlyPenguin)
    Channel 4 is becoming more and more a mouth-piece for the far-right, which I find rather worrying.

    It is completely the wrong atmosphere right now to be trying to divide further with their "documentaries". Why not do documentaries about animal abuse or something?
    You would rather bring awareness to Animal Abuse than actual Human abuse, wow, just wow.
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    (Original post by astutehirstute)
    It’s become boring, sad to say. The only historical reference anyone ever makes on the Internet, probably the only one most people are even aware of.

    Since we are talking about a TV programme concerning the Pakistani diaspora in the UK, how about a reference to another humanitarian disaster, arguably equal in scale to the Holocaust? The Muslim conquest of the Indian sub continent?

    There is no Godwin’s Law on that because few people have ever heard of it. Including you, l’ll bet.

    Am I right?

    We have thousands of years of recorded human history and the only historical event anyone talks about is Nazi Germany.
    Yeah you are right, people talk less about the massacre of the Hindus, or the massacre of the Armenians, and we should, and also remember it. But I am using the Nazi example because it is more contemporary, and well known.
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    (Original post by zhog)
    You people dignify this too much, it's just nuts. Look at it this way:

    You're offered a grand or ten to go out 'undercover' (is that code language for burka?) and come back with hard evidence of Islamophobia. How do you go about it?

    All The Guardian offer is the old 'being lumped with terrorists' stuff. Ridiculous, for all their pains that is it.
    I'm pretty sure there would be outrage if it was any other religion apart from Islam.
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    (Original post by astutehirstute)
    It’s become boring, sad to say. The only historical reference anyone ever makes on the Internet, probably the only one most people are even aware of.

    Since we are talking about a TV programme concerning the Pakistani diaspora in the UK, how about a reference to another humanitarian disaster, arguably equal in scale to the Holocaust? The Muslim conquest of the Indian sub continent?

    There is no Godwin’s Law on that because few people have ever heard of it. Including you, l’ll bet.

    Am I right?

    We have thousands of years of recorded human history and the only historical event anyone talks about is Nazi Germany.
    Also the fact that there are still Nazis today...
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    (Original post by JMR2017)
    OK, but tell me why we should tolerate bullying on a certain group. There is nothing wrong with debating or criticising religion, but saying we need to investigate an entire religion and deal with them, just because of their faith is something the Nazis did, with the Jewish community. OK it could have been that a few Jewish bankers were responsible for the Wall Street Crash and Great Depression, but did that mean the whole Jewish community should be persecuted? Likewise, there are a few Muslims who carry out terrorist attacks, and I do not deny that. I completely condemn these attacks, but this does not mean we need to ban entire religions from our countries, and indeed is a slippery slope to something much worse.
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    Nowadays people are even going as far as saying we should 'abolish Islam', and Katie Hopkins saying we need a 'final solution'. Obviously such things are reminiscent of Nazi Germany.
    False equivalence. Plain and simple.

    Most people claiming this is "reminiscent of Nazi Germany" are either Muslims or part of a non-Muslim group/organization who never lived and experienced Nazi Germany. I think it's pretty pathetic to make any sort of comparison.


    That said, are we going to all-out deny there is a desperate issue within the Islamic community in England, and indeed in many other countries in the EU. Think of the unemployment in that specific group, for instance - or the ghettoization(!!).

    It isn't a bigoted remark to want the government to make an effort in changing those issues

    There are thousands of Jihadist, who ALL belonged to an extent in that community, SURELY there is SOMETHING wrong with it.

    It's time to look at yourselves.
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    (Original post by RightWingLiberal)
    False equivalence. Plain and simple.

    Most people claiming this is "reminiscent of Nazi Germany" are either Muslims or part of a non-Muslim group/organization who never lived and experienced Nazi Germany. I think it's pretty pathetic to make any sort of comparison.


    That said, are we going to all-out deny there is a desperate issue within the Islamic community in England, and indeed in many other countries in the EU. Think of the unemployment in that specific group, for instance - or the ghettoization(!!).

    It isn't a bigoted remark to want the government to make an effort in changing those issues

    There are thousands of Jihadist, who ALL belonged to an extent in that community, SURELY there is SOMETHING wrong with it.

    It's time to look at yourselves.
    What you are saying is actually quite prejudiced, you feel that we should persecute a certain group just because the unemployment rate is higher! There are bad people in every group, race, religion, why do you only ever care about the bad people in one group, and ignore the millions of Muslims who are peaceful (see the chart above)!
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    (Original post by QE2)
    I think the point behind using a white person was that it is entirely possible that a non-Muslim South Asian would also have experienced discrimination and abuse, and the point of the programme is to push the "Islamophobia" agenda rather than merely highlight the obvious racism and xenophobia present in some parts of society against "brown foreigners".
    Yeah I really don't get why they mashed up race and religion and then presented it as islamophobia, if they wanted to understand islamophobia all they had to do was make her wear a hijab. The brown skin and synthetic nose is pushing it, not only are you now testing both waters and presenting it mainly as Islamophobia but the programme itself is now pretty racist - I mean you'd think they'd know 'brownface' isn't okay.
    I think the entire programme would be less offensive if it was for comedic purposes but they've put it forward as a 'documentary' something which is associated with facts, critical analysis, sensible methods of research and then they've gone an dressed up a white woman.
    I understand and agree with your point, I think it's pushing it. In order to understand the experiences of non-Muslim south Asians and/or Muslim south Asian it would've been more sensible to ask these individuals directly rather than what they've gone and done.
    I'm still struggling to get my head around the fact that this actually going to be on TV.

    Actually I wouldn't even go as far to say 'south Asian' they stereotypical nose thing is associated with Pakistanis. I'd say its more about what it's like being Pakistani than actually being Muslim. So that's where the racial element comes in for me, in my opinion.
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    (Original post by Nuba123)
    Yeah I really don't get why they mashed up race and religion and then presented it as islamophobia, if they wanted to understand islamophobia all they had to do was make her wear a hijab. The brown skin and synthetic nose is pushing it, not only are you now testing both waters and presenting it mainly as Islamophobia but the programme itself is now pretty racist - I mean you'd think they'd know 'brownface' isn't okay.
    I think the entire programme would be less offensive if it was for comedic purposes but they've put it forward as a 'documentary' something which is associated with facts, critical analysis, sensible methods of research and then they've gone an dressed up a white woman.
    I understand and agree with your point, I think it's pushing it. In order to understand the experiences of non-Muslim south Asians and/or Muslim south Asian it would've been more sensible to ask these individuals directly rather than what they've gone and done.
    I'm still struggling to get my head around the fact that this actually going to be on TV.

    Actually I wouldn't even go as far to say 'south Asian' they stereotypical nose thing is associated with Pakistanis. I'd say its more about what it's like being Pakistani than actually being Muslim. So that's where the racial element comes in for me, in my opinion.
    Agree with last bit especially.
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    (Original post by JMR2017)
    I'm pretty sure there would be outrage if it was any other religion apart from Islam.
    There seems to be some all the same and it had to be Islam if we are talking 'uncovering Islamophobia', quite a saleable production for channels like 4. Uncovering Christianophobia neither as profitable or even in demand in the mainstream media. No investors.

    I occasionally mention how much I'd resent some of these racialist stunts were I one of the alleged victims, my sympathy goes out to Muslims entirely. Apologies from the rest of the white community.
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    I'm just gonna repost what a Dr said on instagram about this programme and leave this here for thought.

    The links between Islamophobia, racialization and racism continue to pop up around us. Consider the new Channel 4 (U.K.) documentary, "My Week As A Muslim," which shows a non-Muslim White British woman "live as a Muslim" for a "social experiment." Katie Freeman, the main character of the documentary, darkens her skin ("brownfaces") and puts on the hijab in an effort to "look like a Pakistani Muslim woman." To be clear, brownfacing (and blackfacing) is demeaning. It perpetuates stereotypes of People of Color. It symbolizes an abuse of power - like a person's skin color can be removed with the snap of a finger. As if brownfacing isn't reckless enough, in the program, Freeman goes so far as saying, "You see (Muslims) and you just think they're gonna blow something up." Not only does she imagine Muslims in a racialized manner, but she views them through the stereotypical prism of violence. Channel 4 has not only missed the mark, but they have carelessly racialized both Islam and "Muslim identity." The documentary suggests 1) that being white and Muslim are exclusive 2) that being Muslim has racial attributes 3) that there is a uniform way of "being Muslim"; and 4) that there is a "visible archetype" of Muslims in the U.K. and beyond. This program should end immediately. It offers nothing of substance. If anything, it's damaging and only reproduces the cancers in our societies.
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    (Original post by QE2)
    Is the outrage justified?

    https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...rks-racism-row

    TL;DR
    Channel 4 disguised a white British woman as a South Asian Muslim who lived with a Muslim family for a week in order to experience "Islamophobia" first hand.

    A range of Muslim groups and individuals have branded the programme "racist", "deeply offensive", "absolutely shocking", and "reinforcing prejudice".
    Yes, it's racist. Being Muslim doesn't mean being Asian - for example I am not Asian and I am Muslim. You can be Muslim and white, black, East Asian etc. Wearing a scarf and a abaya would have been enough.
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    (Original post by Nizzay!)
    I'm just gonna repost what a Dr said on instagram about this programme and leave this here for thought.

    The links between Islamophobia, racialization and racism continue to pop up around us. Consider the new Channel 4 (U.K.) documentary, "My Week As A Muslim," which shows a non-Muslim White British woman "live as a Muslim" for a "social experiment." Katie Freeman, the main character of the documentary, darkens her skin ("brownfaces" and puts on the hijab in an effort to "look like a Pakistani Muslim woman." To be clear, brownfacing (and blackfacing) is demeaning. It perpetuates stereotypes of People of Color. It symbolizes an abuse of power - like a person's skin color can be removed with the snap of a finger. As if brownfacing isn't reckless enough, in the program, Freeman goes so far as saying, "You see (Muslims) and you just think they're gonna blow something up." Not only does she imagine Muslims in a racialized manner, but she views them through the stereotypical prism of violence. Channel 4 has not only missed the mark, but they have carelessly racialized both Islam and "Muslim identity." The documentary suggests 1) that being white and Muslim are exclusive 2) that being Muslim has racial attributes 3) that there is a uniform way of "being Muslim"; and 4) that there is a "visible archetype" of Muslims in the U.K. and beyond. This program should end immediately. It offers nothing of substance. If anything, it's damaging and only reproduces the cancers in our societies.
    I also really like Dr. Craig Considine He is really amazing.
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    How is it racist? It's like that program where a Muslim and non Muslim applied for the same jobs, buying a car and renting an apartment and the non Muslim was clearly given preference.

    I don't understand what they are complaining about?
 
 
 
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