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    M451 - British Embassy in Israel Motion 2017, Saunders16 MP, Connor27 MP

    This house believes that the British Embassy to the state of Israel should be moved to Israeli administered West Jerusalem.

    This house also recognises the claim of the state of Palestine to the territory of East Jerusalem, however, this house believes that West Jerusalem is the rightful capital of Israel, and therefore is the rightful location of the British embassy.
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    I've never been in favour of any plans that divide cities, especially where there is so much hostility on each side. Those kinds of plans just don't work. This is needlessly provocative as well as pointless.
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    As far as I'm concerned, if you don't live there, you don't have an opinion.

    On this issue I am neither informed or sensitive enough about the subject to have something to contribute.

    Abstain.
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    (Original post by DayneD89)
    I've never been in favour of any plans that divide cities, especially where there is so much hostility on each side. Those kinds of plans just don't work. This is needlessly provocative as well as pointless.
    Exactly; the current status quo is unfit for purpose; however, there is no point moving the Embassy further accentuating hostility until at least part of a true long-term and more importantly sustainable 'two-state solution' has been established, accepted and implemented.

    This is unnecessary for the time being.
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    abstain, don't really care.
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    Nay. This will be seen as a provocation by the Palestinian state. Now, we need to be working for a two state solution, not provoking one side or the other.
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    (Original post by frankielogue)
    abstain, don't really care.
    This ^^^
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    An embassy in each would be reasonable. This is not.
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    I mirror the sentiments of my colleague, ns_2, and, to a somewhat lesser extent, my counterpart on the Cabinet, TheDefiniteArticle. Whilst I agree a British Embassy being set up in both would be the idealistic scenario, however I do not believe we should do this until the issues between Israel and the State of Palestine have been mutually resolved and that peace between the two entities is ensured. This is a good idea but I do not feel it's the right time.
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    Would not Tel Aviv the major holiday resort be better?
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    (Original post by Wilhuff Tarkin)
    I mirror the sentiments of my colleague, ns_2, and, to a somewhat lesser extent, my counterpart on the Cabinet, TheDefiniteArticle. Whilst I agree a British Embassy being set up in both would be the idealistic scenario, however I do not believe we should do this until the issues between Israel and the State of Palestine have been mutually resolved and that peace between the two entities is ensured. This is a good idea but I do not feel it's the right time.
    So it should never happen? Let's not pretend the problems will end without either Israel or the Palestinian Territories ceasing to exist. We should be putting our full support behind easily the most civilised and only democratic country in the region. In 1947 Palestinian Jews were willing to accept internationalisation of Jerusalem, the Arabs did not and the whole city has fallen to Israel in the various wars.

    Jerusalem is the Capital of Israel, it is also the political centre. It is highly irregular for an embassy not to be in the capital given its purpose.

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    Would not Tel Aviv the major holiday resort be better?
    A Consulate in Tel Aviv would suffice
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    The practical fact is that the capital of Israel is Jerusalem, therefore that's where the British embassy should be. Dictating to another country where its capital should be is absurd.
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    (Original post by barnetlad)
    Would not Tel Aviv the major holiday resort be better?
    Embassies are always located in capitals. In fact, embassies don't help nationals, the consulates technically inside of the embassies do.
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    Aye, the British Embassy or the British High Commission should be located in the cities where the foreign government's executive arm sits.
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    (Original post by cranbrook_aspie)
    The practical fact is that the capital of Israel is Jerusalem, therefore that's where the British embassy should be. Dictating to another country where its capital should be is absurd.
    I agree with the motion but I do not agree with your reasoning because some countries have three capital cities.
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    (Original post by Jacob E)
    I agree with the motion but I do not agree with your reasoning because some countries have three capital cities.
    If a country has multiple capitals then the logical response would be to select whichever was most suitable as long as it was in one of them.
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    Nay. I believe the approach we should be pushing for regarding Jereusulum is for it to become a secular, UN-managed city outwith of either state. It is unique as a point of crucial importance for all the Abrhamic faiths, and as such it needs to be welcoming and accessible to all who wish to pay a visit. Given their ongoing conflict, neither Israel nor Palestine is in a position to guarantee this.
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    Which do you want to cease existing: Israel or the Palestinian territories? That's the only way you will see peace after the Arabs rejected what you want to happen and started a war to try to destroy Israel as soon as it came into being.

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    Nay. I believe the approach we should be pushing for regarding Jereusulum is for it to become a secular, UN-managed city outwith of either state. It is unique as a point of crucial importance for all the Abrhamic faiths, and as such it needs to be welcoming and accessible to all who wish to pay a visit. Given their ongoing conflict, neither Israel nor Palestine is in a position to guarantee this.
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    This motion has entered division.
 
 
 
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