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    Barnetlad - Endorsed By TSR Green Party
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    Gcx- Endorsed by TSR Libertarian Party
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    Saoirce - Endorsed by both the TSR Labour and TSR Socialist Parties
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    That'sAGoodOne - Endorsed by TSR Conservative and Unionist Party
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    (Original post by CoffeeGeek)
    This is cringe.



    And then you're forgetting that the other 6 MPs we have did not vote for protectionism - lovely cherry-picking there.

    At one point everyone here was inexperienced and were trying to settle in, including yourself. So it's not surprising that some newer members might not understand everything and instead of attacking them and saying that they cannot "provide the stern opposition" is inappropriate and not helpful. What the MHoC needs is to be welcoming to new members, but with the growing number of wretched members like yourself I'm starting to think that the MHoC has become an attacking and bullying corner of TSR. It's not welcoming, it's rude and just downright disgusting. I do not wish to think of how you guys treat newer members in your party but I'll assume it's the same how you treat newer members in the MHoC in general, which is with absolute bitterness and disrespect.



    Again, cringe.



    I do not wish to disclose the details of negotiations but I think you and I know that there wasn't any "opportunity" - let's not talk bullsh*t.

    I think they do differ from the Government, where is the Government proposing to reform the school system? Where is the Government proposing to encourage people to get onto apprenticeship programmes and stay on them? Where is the Government proposing to review PCC policy and foreign aid? I could go on forever but I do not wish to. Don't make vacuous claims that you cannot defend - our policies differ from all the parties standing here today.

    3 MPs out of the 9 we have defended protectionism. How does that suggest the party endorses the protectionism when that's not even a majority of the parliamentary party? Looks like the Leader of the Libertarians is aiming for cheap shots here because it's becoming extremely easy to debunk these myths.

    And you know, it's quite funny. Your manifesto says everything, it's mainly full of attacks with little substance on policy. It seems to represent the character Libertarian Party very accurately, no substance, just attacks. And then you have aspirations of working with us in Government... perhaps you guys need to try harder and stop making such a buffoonery of yourselves.
    If the Leader of the Opposition's favourite response is to call other people 'cringe', I think I can rest my case.
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    (Original post by barnetlad)
    Since I became Green Party leader in July, there have been ten bills or motions I have submitted to the House, the majority of which I was the author of.

    As for the style of the manifesto, it is designed to be read on a phone or tablet, and can be read by many of the software options I am aware of available for those with limited sight. Two family members have limited sight, both since a fairly young age, such that neither are allowed to have a car licence.
    You do realise that images show on phones and tablets...
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    You do realise that images show on phones and tablets...
    Yes but not very clearly. As I found out when looking at the manifestos on my I-phone.

    Back to the Brexit question- I want us to be in the customs union and single market, not have higher tariffs and jobs end up being moved to Paris, Frankfurt or other parts of the EU.
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    I see the left are going for their usual "vote for us to wreck the economy" lines
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    (Original post by barnetlad)
    Yes but not very clearly. As I found out when looking at the manifestos on my I-phone.

    Back to the Brexit question- I want us to be in the customs union and single market, not have higher tariffs and jobs end up being moved to Paris, Frankfurt or other parts of the EU.
    So you want us to have higher tariffs, but also want us to have lower tariffs? Nice one.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    So you want us to have higher tariffs, but also want us to have lower tariffs? Nice one.
    As few as possible by being in the customs union.
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    (Original post by barnetlad)
    Yes but not very clearly. As I found out when looking at the manifestos on my I-phone.

    Back to the Brexit question- I want us to be in the customs union and single market, not have higher tariffs and jobs end up being moved to Paris, Frankfurt or other parts of the EU.
    Except by remaining in the single market and the customs union, we would be continuing free movement, abiding by the ECJ and EU parliament could make laws over the UK, without us having a seat at the table...
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    (Original post by Tommy1boy)
    Except by remaining in the single market and the customs union, we would be continuing free movement, abiding by the ECJ and EU parliament could make laws over the UK, without us having a seat at the table...
    Unless we negotiated otherwise, which I think is possible.
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    (Original post by barnetlad)
    Unless we negotiated otherwise, which I think is possible.
    The EU could not be clearer. The four principles of the single market / EU are indivisible.
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    (Original post by barnetlad)
    Unless we negotiated otherwise, which I think is possible.
    Negotiate a seat at the table? Or negotiate (within the next year)for the EU to change its fundamental values and way of operating to suit us?
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    I have obviously voted for Saoirse, a candidate with a brilliant and pragmatic manifesto and a long history of championing causes of critical importance. Looking through this thread, well, all I'll say is I don't regret my vote.
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    (Original post by cranbrook_aspie)
    I have obviously voted for Saoirse, a candidate with a brilliant and pragmatic manifesto and a long history of championing causes of critical importance. Looking through this thread, well, all I'll say is I don't regret my vote.
    Thanks so much
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    (Original post by barnetlad)
    As few as possible by being in the customs union.
    You mean the thing which mandates high tariffs to minimise external competition and prohibits the negotiating and signing of FTAs, that customs union?
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    (Original post by cranbrook_aspie)
    I have obviously voted for Saoirse, a candidate with a brilliant and pragmatic manifesto and a long history of championing causes of critical importance. Looking through this thread, well, all I'll say is I don't regret my vote.
    Such as driving down employment and costs up to create an ever expanding under class reliant on the teat of the state?
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    (Original post by Tommy1boy)
    The EU could not be clearer. The four principles of the single market / EU are indivisible.
    (Original post by Saoirse:3)
    Negotiate a seat at the table? Or negotiate (within the next year)for the EU to change its fundamental values and way of operating to suit us?
    We are net contributors to the EU. Even our gross contributions are significant, and then if you take out money sent back such as agriculture and regional development the amount is still significant. The EU has long accepted UK opt outs whilst a member, and so the idea that we have a unique deal with some form of migration restrictions is not far fetched. If it had to pass a UK referendum or there be no deal and no 'divorce' payment to the EU we would be in a better negotiating position.
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    (Original post by barnetlad)
    We are net contributors to the EU. Even our gross contributions are significant, and then if you take out money sent back such as agriculture and regional development the amount is still significant. The EU has long accepted UK opt outs whilst a member, and so the idea that we have a unique deal with some form of migration restrictions is not far fetched. If it had to pass a UK referendum or there be no deal and no 'divorce' payment to the EU we would be in a better negotiating position.
    I'm sorry, but this is total fantasy. Within the next year we'd have to figure out an immigration settlement acceptable and indeed preferable to the status quo to every EU member including ourselves. Then we'd need them to extend the A50 deadline while treaty change passes various national parliaments and referendums, and hope it all came back positive. This is the kind of deal we could have headed towards if we'd taken the vote as an eventual ambition rather than a requirement for us to leave now. The Tory government deprived us of that option and that door shut the day Article 50 was triggered.
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    Could the poll be opened?
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    barnetlad ThatsAGoodOne349 _gcx Thanks for an interesting election however the results turn out
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    (Original post by Saoirse:3)
    barnetlad ThatsAGoodOne349 _gcx Thanks for an interesting election however the results turn out
    you are welcomed, and I return the favour
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    good luck all
 
 
 
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