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    (Original post by RoyalBeams)
    The highlighted is the perfect pill for perpetual failure and underachievement.

    No better and more potent driver of failure than having an excuse for failure prior to even making an attempt.

    The community that swallows that pill the most would be the ones that fail and underachieve the most.

    Mentally-ill SJWs are destroying many communities.
    I largely agree with you, I personally think privilege usually only boils down to money and health.

    I don’t think institutions are racist and I don’t think people are by enlarge either.

    I see deficiencies of cultures and belief systems rather than someone who black or brown being beneath me. I think we see some of what I think in the chances of white working class boys being so poor for example.

    I think the report Theresa May commissioned on this will highlight some issues in the coming months and years rather than just some headlines and it’s going to be difficult to get away from the fact that money is the driver behind these issues.
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    (Original post by ThatOldGuy)
    Is that what you think I said? Please reread and tell me where the confusion is that you think I said 'Assume people who are black are criminal' and I will explain.
    You said:
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    if you are a police officer and looking to crack down on gang violence, you should stop and search someone who is black at roughly 18 times the rate of someone who is white
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    (Original post by Roxirin)
    For example, things like a black man being more likely to get arrested for committing a crime than a white man: THAT'S white privilege.
    Not if that crime has a disproportionate proportion of black perpetrators.

    I think this is a mistake that many people make when dealing with statistics. If black men are 75% more likely to be arrested for a particular crime, but are 75% more likely to have actually committed that crime, then the statistics are merely bearing out reality, not any kind of discrimination or "privilege".

    That is not to say that there is no discrimination or privilege - because there certainly is. Just that there is more to statistics than pointing at a number and saying "look, that is bigger than another number".
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    (Original post by QE2)
    Not if that crime has a disproportionate proportion of black perpetrators.

    I think this is a mistake that many people make when dealing with statistics. If black men are 75% more likely to be arrested for a particular crime, but are 75% more likely to have actually committed that crime, then the statistics are merely bearing out reality, not any kind of discrimination or "privilege".

    That is not to say that there is no discrimination or privilege - because there certainly is. Just that there is more to statistics than pointing at a number and saying "look, that is bigger than another number".
    *nods* Good point, thanks.
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    (Original post by paul514)
    I don’t think institutions are racist and I don’t think people are by enlarge either.
    It's "by and large".
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    (Original post by QE2)
    Not if that crime has a disproportionate proportion of black perpetrators.
    Which of course drug offenses don't.
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    (Original post by RoyalBeams)
    Well said, mate.

    Obama's daughter in Harvard cannot sit her arse down to complain about white privilege against some trailer-living white in Arizona.
    Yes absolutely. She's very privileged.
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    (Original post by QE2)
    It's "by and large".
    I blame auto correct..... even though that’s how I typed it 😉
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    (Original post by looloo2134)
    What is wrong with being a young single mother or for that matter a young single father? Nothing most single parents male or female are doing an amazing job of raising their children. Few are living of benefits most single parents are working full or part time. People become single parents for lot of different reasons their partner could have died for example.

    I didn’t say there was anything wrong with single parent homes. The person I quoted brought it up in his argument as a way of suggesting that is why black people commit more crime than Asian people.
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    (Original post by cherryred90s)
    You said:
    I see the confusion. You think that is 'racist'. Here is the definition of racism:

    prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.
    Or it could also be:

    the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics, abilities, or qualities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
    Neither of which apply.

    I do not believe everyone who is black is a gang member. Instead, I believe that they are more likely to be gang members(18 times more likely to be exact) and so 18 times as likely to be stopped and harmed by anti-gang activity than someone who is caucasian.

    That's just math.

    Does that make more sense?
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    (Original post by ThatOldGuy)
    I see the confusion. You think that is 'racist'. Here is the definition of racism:



    Or it could also be:



    Neither of which apply.

    I do not believe everyone who is black is a gang member. Instead, I believe that they are more likely to be gang members(18 times more likely to be exact) and so 18 times as likely to be stopped and harmed by anti-gang activity than someone who is caucasian.

    That's just math.

    Does that make more sense?
    Institutional racism:
    “Can be seen or detected in processes, attitudes and behaviour which amount to discrimination through unwitting prejudice, ignorance, thoughtlessness and racist stereotyping which disadvantage minority ethnic people”.
    How is your comment not a perfect example of this?
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    (Original post by ThatOldGuy)
    I see the confusion. You think that is 'racist'. Here is the definition of racism:



    Or it could also be:



    Neither of which apply.

    I do not believe everyone who is black is a gang member. Instead, I believe that they are more likely to be gang members(18 times more likely to be exact) and so 18 times as likely to be stopped and harmed by anti-gang activity than someone who is caucasian.

    That's just math.

    Does that make more sense?
    But they're not 18 times more likely to be drug offenders, can't deny that whites have the privilege of a much higher level of freedom to use drugs, surely that's not an outcome you are happy with?
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    (Original post by cherryred90s)
    Institutional racism:
    “Can be seen or detected in processes, attitudes and behaviour which amount to discrimination through unwitting prejudice, ignorance, thoughtlessness and racist stereotyping which disadvantage minority ethnic people”.
    How is your comment not a perfect example of this?
    It does not disadvantage minority ethnic people. It disadvantages minority ethnic criminals.

    Those people should be disadvantaged. Because they are criminals.

    That isn't racism - It's criminalism, to coin a phrase. It disadvantages criminals who, in this case, happen to be disproportionately of a certain race.

    If you don't like the math, change it - Stop people of various ethnic groups from joining gangs and you will find that it changes literally everything.
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    (Original post by the beer)
    But they're not 18 times more likely to be drug offenders, can't deny that whites have the privilege of a much higher level of freedom to use drugs, surely that's not an outcome you are happy with?
    You mean drug dealers or drug users? A much greater argument would be the inappropriate sentencing of crack compared to cocaine users.
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    (Original post by ThatOldGuy)
    You mean drug dealers or drug users?
    Both.

    (Original post by ThatOldGuy)
    A much greater argument would be the inappropriate sentencing of crack compared to cocaine users.
    Sure, that too.

    So?
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    (Original post by the beer)
    Both.



    Sure, that too.

    So?
    Drug users should be low priority. I disagree very vocally(And have) with heavy sentencing. It exacerbates problems and leads those with tendencies towards drug use to have greater connections with other criminals.

    As for drug dealers, gangs are disproportionately represented in the drugs game and so by cutting off gangs you can eliminate large portions of the drug trade
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    (Original post by paul514)
    I largely agree with you, I personally think privilege usually only boils down to money and health.

    I don’t think institutions are racist and I don’t think people are by enlarge either.

    I see deficiencies of cultures and belief systems rather than someone who black or brown being beneath me. I think we see some of what I think in the chances of white working class boys being so poor for example.

    I think the report Theresa May commissioned on this will highlight some issues in the coming months and years rather than just some headlines and it’s going to be difficult to get away from the fact that money is the driver behind these issues.
    Me thinks you mistakenly quoted the wrong person here, mate.
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    (Original post by ThatOldGuy)
    It does not disadvantage minority ethnic people. It disadvantages minority ethnic criminals.

    Those people should be disadvantaged. Because they are criminals.

    That isn't racism - It's criminalism, to coin a phrase. It disadvantages criminals who, in this case, happen to be disproportionately of a certain race.

    If you don't like the math, change it - Stop people of various ethnic groups from joining gangs and you will find that it changes literally everything.
    why should minority ethnic criminals be more disadvantaged than white criminals?

    If the police target ethnic minorities much more frequently than the majority, white people will have a greater chance of getting away with a crime and black people will have a greater chance of being arrested and imprisoned for a crime. Don’t you see that?
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    (Original post by cherryred90s)
    why should minority ethnic criminals be more disadvantaged than white criminals?

    If the police target ethnic minorities much more frequently than the majority, white people will have a greater chance of getting away with a crime and black people will have a greater chance of being arrested and imprisoned for a crime. Don’t you see that?
    I... Am not sure how to respond to that. Mathematically, if we had enough police to police every single person at all times, if you were black you would have 18 times the chance of being arrested for gang related crimes than you would if you were caucasian. Just mathematically.

    How can you not see that if you are 18 times more likely to be a criminal you should be 18 times more likely to be arrested?
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    (Original post by ThatOldGuy)
    I... Am not sure how to respond to that. Mathematically, if we had enough police to police every single person at all times, if you were black you would have 18 times the chance of being arrested for gang related crimes than you would if you were caucasian. Just mathematically.

    How can you not see that if you are 18 times more likely to be a criminal you should be 18 times more likely to be arrested?
    I like how you’ve now changed “18 times more likely to be in a gang” to “18 times more likely to be a criminal”

    But honestly, if you think that there’s nothing wrong, prejudice or racist about an officer spotting a black person and thinking “that person is black so I’m going to stop them” then you’re part of the problem
 
 
 
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