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    (Original post by Airplanebee2)
    Are the only choices to target specific ethnic groups or disband it, or is there a third option, to target all ethnic groups?
    Depends who's paying I guess. There is nothing to stop the funding of whoever you like.

    If you feel white working class boys are being disadvantaged, why don't you set up a charity to target them?
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    (Original post by ByEeek)
    Depends who's paying I guess. There is nothing to stop the funding of whoever you like.

    If you feel white working class boys are being disadvantaged, why don't you set up a charity to target them?
    I think it's Oxford and Cambridge universities and a law firm who are funding Target Oxbridge; not private individuals.

    The main thing is that Target Oxbridge is just one example of a situation where white people are being excluded which you denied existed.
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    (Original post by AllonsEnfants!)
    The main thing is that Target Oxbridge is just one example of a situation where white people are being excluded which you denied existed.
    I never denied that at all. Life is unfair. People of all colours and creeds are excluded. But in society as a whole, black people are denied access to jobs, opportunities and services on a daily basis. Something you seem unable to accept.

    It is true that white working class boys do worse at school, but once they are in the real world, their opportunities are massively increased over a black person in a similar place in life. That is the point of Target Oxbridge.
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    (Original post by ByEeek)
    I never denied that at all. Life is unfair. People of all colours and creeds are excluded. But in society as a whole, black people are denied access to jobs, opportunities and services on a daily basis. Something you seem unable to accept.

    It is true that white working class boys do worse at school, but once they are in the real world, their opportunities are massively increased over a black person in a similar place in life. That is the point of Target Oxbridge.

    "I never denied that at all."

    You denied that white people experience discrimination because of the colour of our skin in #89

    "But in society as a whole, black people are denied access to jobs, opportunities and services on a daily basis."

    I am sorry but I do not accept that argument due to the Equality Act 2010 and so-called ‘positive action’.

    Since the Equality Act 2010 became law, it has been illegal to discriminate against certain groups with protected characteristics in society and black people are one of those groups. It has also made it legal to take positive action in favour of these groups ‘in jobs, opportunities and services on a daily basis’.

    Whilst it is voluntary to have a diverse workforce, private sector companies need to show a diverse workforce if they want to compete successfully for public sector contracts. And the public sector, the largest employer in the UK, totally embraces the need for diversity in the workplace. To achieve that diverse workforce, the candidate with protected characteristics so long as they are suitably qualified can be preferred.

    "It is true that white working class boys do worse at school, but once they are in the real world, their opportunities are massively increased over a black person in a similar place in life."

    Neither being ‘white’ or a ‘boy’ is recognised as one of the protected characteristics under the Equality Act 2010.
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    (Original post by ByEeek)
    . But as white people, we don't experience racism on a daily basis. We are not prevented from getting jobs, or being served in shops, or stopped and searched by the police frequently, or any other manner of social barriers simply because of the colour of out skin. If we did understand and experience that, perhaps we might have a little empathy for people like this Nigerian chap you mentioned and his motives for Tweeting what he did.
    "If we did understand and experience that, perhaps we might have a little empathy for people like this Nigerian chap you mentioned and his motives for Tweeting what he did. "

    This "Nigerian chap" who tweeted that all White people were racist and could 'geddit' was the recipient of a full scholarship which allowed him to attend on full board the independent Whitgift School in Croydon for which annual fees are £36,411.

    He then applied to Cambridge where his application will have benefited from the University's 'positive action' to recruit BME students to comply with OFFA's demands.

    So please save your tears for the homeless white boy sleeping in the shop doorway in Croydon who probably can't afford a mobile to tweet anything on.
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    (Original post by Airplanebee2)
    The difference is more like the difference between a Collie and a Poodle. I was just using dog and cat as an analogy for merging different categories into one.
    You're tiring me out mate.

    What is the point of your OP?

    Let's assume that you're right. Race is real.

    So what? What should occur because of this? What's your point? You just state that race and gender are determined by your genes.
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    (Original post by AllonsEnfants!)
    "I never denied that at all."

    You denied that white people experience discrimination because of the colour of our skin in #89

    "But in society as a whole, black people are denied access to jobs, opportunities and services on a daily basis."

    I am sorry but I do not accept that argument due to the Equality Act 2010 and so-called ‘positive action’.
    Where in my quote that you quoted did I say white people don't get discriminated against?

    I think you need to open your eyes and start talking to a variety of people. Just because something is illegal doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Slavery was outlawed 150 years ago but is still very prevalent in parts of society.

    As a white man I have never been discriminated against. Have you? By contrast each and every one of my non-white students under the age of 16 has experienced some from of direct racism or discrimination.

    Please do not tell me you believe white people somehow have a raw deal.
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    (Original post by ByEeek)
    Where in my quote that you quoted did I say white people don't get discriminated against?

    I think you need to open your eyes and start talking to a variety of people. Just because something is illegal doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Slavery was outlawed 150 years ago but is still very prevalent in parts of society.

    As a white man I have never been discriminated against. Have you? By contrast each and every one of my non-white students under the age of 16 has experienced some from of direct racism or discrimination.

    Please do not tell me you believe white people somehow have a raw deal.
    "As a white man I have never been discriminated against."

    See my post above regarding Equality Act 2010:

    "Example An accountancy firm is recruiting for its graduate training scheme.After the first round of assessment the firm decides to shortlist 20 candidates.There is a tie-breaker situation for the 20th place on the shortlist as there are a number of candidates of equal merit.The firm decides to use the positive action provisions to advance a candidate from a BME background to the next round of recruitment, because people from BME backgrounds are under-represented in the firm.This would mean that the non-BME candidates could not claim unlawful race discrimination for not being put on the shortlist. "

    https://www.york.ac.uk/admin/eo/Posi...0Guide%201.pdf

    The term 'equal merit' does not mean equal; it means both candidates have the basic minimum to do the job. One could be more qualified than the other, but in terms of the particular job on offer they are both equally qualified.

    Where in my quote that you quoted did I say white people don't get discriminated against?

    I've already directed you to the post in question.

 
 
 
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