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VM451 - British Embassy in Israel Motion 2017 Watch

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    VM451 - British Embassy in Israel Motion 2017, Saunders16 MP, Connor27 MP

    This house believes that the British Embassy to the state of Israel should be moved to Israeli administered West Jerusalem.

    This house also recognises the claim of the state of Palestine to the territory of East Jerusalem, however, this house believes that West Jerusalem is the rightful capital of Israel, and therefore is the rightful location of the British embassy.
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    Abstaining as promised.

    I don't live there, so I don't deserve an opinion.
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    This motion does make sense; but not now; not until a pragmatic and effective two-state solution is actually implemented.

    And even then, when the solution actually remains in effect and more importantly works for the corresponding people, the British Government should establish an additional embassy in the respective state; rather than provoke the situation further.

    Hence, Nay for the time being.
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    (Original post by 04MR17)
    Abstaining as promised.

    I don't live there, so I don't deserve an opinion.
    But as a member of the sovereign British parliament you control the Foreign and Commonwealth office, and the embassy (and by extension its location) is controlled by us in Parliament.

    Think of it this way: how would you feel if another country put their embassy in Birmingham so as to not offend British separatists?
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    (Original post by Connor27)
    But as a member of the sovereign British parliament you control the Foreign and Commonwealth office, and the embassy (and by extension its location) is controlled by us in Parliament.

    Think of it this way: how would you feel if another country put their embassy in Birmingham so as to not offend British separatists?
    I live in Bham so I personally wouldn't mind. Jk.
    This actually makes total sense. Though there isn't a two state solution being properly implemented yet, we, and all the countries with a diplomatic relationship with Israel/Palestine should work towards that solution. It's an aye btw.
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    (Original post by Connor27)
    But as a member of the sovereign British parliament you control the Foreign and Commonwealth office, and the embassy (and by extension its location) is controlled by us in Parliament.

    Think of it this way: how would you feel if another country put their embassy in Birmingham so as to not offend British separatists?
    Agreed. That doesn't mean the rest of the world is entitled to an opinion on Israeli/Palestine.
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    (Original post by 04MR17)
    Agreed. That doesn't mean the rest of the world is entitled to an opinion on Israeli/Palestine.
    That isn't really the point of the motion - all it's doing is moving the embassy to the capital of Israel while still recognising the UN supported Palestinian claim to East Jerusalem, it just makes sense.
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    (Original post by Connor27)
    That isn't really the point of the motion - all it's doing is moving the embassy to the capital of Israel while still recognising the UN supported Palestinian claim to East Jerusalem, it just makes sense.
    The second sentence is my issue. Don't really care where the embassy it to be honest.
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    (Original post by 04MR17)
    The second sentence is my issue. Don't really care where the embassy it to be honest.
    Surely it is just common sense that our embassies should be in capital cities (political capitals; before Jacob or JD mention SA and other countries with more than 1 capital)?
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    (Original post by Connor27)
    Surely it is just common sense that our embassies should be in capital cities (political capitals; before Jacob or JD mention SA and other countries with more than 1 capital)?
    surely it doesn't make a difference for a country this size.
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    Is Jerusalem the capital and political centre of Israel? Yes? Well that was easy.
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    Why should we recognise west Jerusalem as part of Israel when Israel doesn’t even recognise the West Bank as Palestinian territory and continues violating international law by building illegal settlements in such territory.

    All of that aside, in terms of practicality, moving the embassy to west Jerusalem would certainly increase the threat of terrorism so it’s an easy no vote from me
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    Abstaining as I don’t see the point of this bill.
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    Abstaining to retain neutrality. Nothing should be inferred by the vote and should not be seen as a judgement on either side.
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    (Original post by Zxyn)
    Why should we recognise west Jerusalem as part of Israel when Israel doesn’t even recognise the West Bank as Palestinian territory and continues violating international law by building illegal settlements in such territory.

    All of that aside, in terms of practicality, moving the embassy to west Jerusalem would certainly increase the threat of terrorism so it’s an easy no vote from me
    Why do we recognise all the territory captured since Israel's formation rather than the 1947 lines given they weren't legally procured given they were in wars (which aren't legal) when the Arabs decided Israel should cease to exist as soon as it existed

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    Rakas21 can you confirm _gcx’s postal vote?
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    Rakas21 can you confirm _gcx’s postal vote?
    Have no fear, vote verification was near. I normally add stuff like that all at once along with checking for double votes ect..

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    One Aye was added for seat 40.

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    Order!
    The Ayes to the right, 8.
    The Noes to the left, 27.
    Abstentions, 10.

    I think the Nay's have it! The Nay's have it! Unlock!!
 
 
 
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