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    ...and the course content

    https://www.theguardian.com/educatio...-heaton-harris

    Because this doesn't count as acting like the thought police...
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    Brexit is turning the Tories into every caricature they have made of the left... financial flight, anti-free speech, thought police, rash and dangerous economic policies...

    The loony right is doing more damage than the loony left has ever done in this country.
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    Thats outrageous and I hope they told him where to shove it. Why does he thnk he has the right to peoples names and addresses?
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    To be fair, it's only one individual, and he could quite easily get the information through a FOI request. But yes, it is a stupid thing to do.
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    An utterly stupid and counterproductive idea. That professor pretty much nails it RE the fact he’s been studying EU law all his life rather implies he thinks it’s a good idea. Furthermore those wishing to study it are probably going to be already of the same opinion.

    As to th broader argument as to whether the government should step in to what goes on at universities... possibly. I think this is s good example:

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.t...ld-free-speech

    I think there is s clear case for doing so in the US where things clearly have gotten out of hand, whereas things seem better in the UK.
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    (Original post by Davij038)
    An utterly stupid and counterproductive idea. That professor pretty much nails it RE the fact he’s been studying EU law all his life rather implies he thinks it’s a good idea. Furthermore those wishing to study it are probably going to be already of the same opinion.
    So Marx thought capitalism was great as he spent his whole life studying it? :beard:


    Lots of economists seem to dislike what they study.
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    What an appalling piece of neo-fascist strong arming. Brexit Tories are notorious for being ridiculous, but now they've switched over into being downright menacing.

    It goes without saying that no university should reply to this horrid little tike with anything other than a firm "**** off".
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    (Original post by Duncan2012)
    To be fair, it's only one individual, and he could quite easily get the information through a FOI request. But yes, it is a stupid thing to do.
    Apparently Bernard Jenkin, another Tory Brexit MP, tried the same thing on before.

    The threat behind the letter is clear - shape up, or we cut funding. A direct threat to university independence, academic freedom and free speech in the United Kingdom.
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    (Original post by Davij038)
    An utterly stupid and counterproductive idea. That professor pretty much nails it RE the fact he’s been studying EU law all his life rather implies he thinks it’s a good idea. Furthermore those wishing to study it are probably going to be already of the same opinion.

    As to th broader argument as to whether the government should step in to what goes on at universities... possibly. I think this is s good example:

    https://www.google.co.uk/amp/s/amp.t...ld-free-speech

    I think there is s clear case for doing so in the US where things clearly have gotten out of hand, whereas things seem better in the UK.

    Academics just tend to be more left wing/liberal than the average professional. However, I think a lot of that is down to the fact that those who are right leaning are more inclined to chase the high salaries of the corporate world, rather than stay in academia.

    I'm not necessarily saying that it's a bad thing or that they should be judged for it, but in my opinion, it's how it is.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    So Marx thought capitalism was great as he spent his whole life studying it? :beard:
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    Well kinda- he did think capitalism was great... because it would lead to communism.
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    (Original post by Davij038)
    Well kinda- he did think capitalism was great... because it would lead to communism.
    I don't know that it's quite right (even as a very short shorthand) to say that he thought it was 'great' - he assumed it was a necessary stage and an inevitable development, with features that were an improvement over what it replaced (serfdom/early mercantilism) that led to it replacing the old systems everywhere.

    Given that he thought the workers of the world were in chains everywhere, he hardly was full of praise for it as a system.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Academics just tend to be more left wing/liberal than the average professional. However, I think a lot of that is down to the fact that those who are right leaning are more inclined to chase the high salaries of the corporate world, rather than stay in academia.

    I'm not necessarily saying that it's a bad thing or that they should be judged for it, but in my opinion, it's how it is.
    I agree to an extent.

    I think perhaps investigating social attitudes would be more interesting, perhaps measured by asking academics if they supported gay marriage for instance. In any case it’s a doomed affair- and no different to a Corbyn government asking Bank Managers to reveal how many of them support socialism ...
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    What a complete and utter farce.
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    (Original post by Davij038)
    Corbyn government asking Bank Managers to reveal how many of them support socialism ...
    Corporate bankers love socialism when it comes to bailing out their bad gambles with massive quantities of taxpayer cash.
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    (Original post by Davij038)
    Well kinda- he did think capitalism was great... because it would lead to communism.
    "All means for the development of production transform themselves into means of domination over, and exploitation of, the producers; they mutilate the labourer into a fragment of a man, degrade him to the level of an appendage of a machine, destroy every remnant of charm in his work and turn it into a hated toil; they estrange from him the intellectual potentialities of the labour-process in the same proportion as science is incorporated in it as an independant power; they distort the conditions under which he works, subject him during the labour-process to a despotism the more hateful for its meanness"

    Yep. He thought it was great :yy:

    http://www.econlib.org/library/YPDBo...20Chapter%2025

    Or as someone who studied and was enthralled by capitalism (Adam Smith)... In short capitalism makes workers as "stupid and ignorant as it is possible for a human creature to become."


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    I don't know that it's quite right (even as a very short shorthand) to say that he thought it was 'great' - he assumed it was a necessary stage and an inevitable development, with features that were an improvement over what it replaced (serfdom/early mercantilism) that led to it replacing the old systems everywhere.

    Given that he thought the workers of the world were in chains everywhere, he hardly was full of praise for it as a system.
    I think it was that he thought productivity gains of the capitalist industrial revolution were allowing humanity the chance to escape from unequal power relationships that have plagued it ever since we developed agriculture. Whether they be slave/master, serf/lord or worker/boss. Basically we could have the positives of civilisation without throwing away the humanity we had as hunter gatherers. That's basically what communism is.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    they distort the conditions under which he works, subject him during the labour-process to a despotism the more hateful for its meanness"
    Amazon / Uber / Deliveroo, etc. He meant you.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    Amazon / Uber / Deliveroo, etc. He meant you.
    any warehouse job I've worked in. One of which was literally in an old Edwardian mill for the authentic proletarian experience :rofl:

    Except we don't even make the stuff anymore. Instead us proles just packaged and moved the sills around that the proles in China made.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    any warehouse job I've worked in. One of which was literally in an old Edwardian mill :rofl:
    Was their trouble 't said mill?
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    Was their trouble 't said mill?
    It's them

    http://www.stormguard.co.uk/about-us/

    I know they had enough money to pay us more as in the interview a manager complained he couldn't get the owner to move to bigger building. They had enough profits that they could have expanded. But not pay their wage slave workers more than min wage. I got 6 months of authentic proletarian experience. :yy:

    "We have responded to the challenges of 21st Century business in the UK by investment in technology, management systems and people, all of which is required to succeed whilst maintaining our belief in the traditional values of integrity, trust and respect for others"

    :yucky::yuck:

    They don't respect their workers at all.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    The threat behind the letter is clear - shape up, or we cut funding.
    Perhaps he got the idea from OFFA and their demand that universities increase their state educated and ethnic admissions to an OFFA-acceptable level.
 
 
 
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