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    I voted Leave...because i believe in a self governing nation and the courts and, the legislative bodies of said countries should be supreme.

    And i have a degree in Business Management before anybody, accuses me of being 'Uneducated'
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    (Original post by needledropp)
    I support remain because i am educated and have a brain.
    But zero interpersonal skills
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    (Original post by needledropp)
    I support remain because i am educated and have a brain.
    The fact that you support remain actually states the direct opposite. 🙂
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    its like remoaners forgot how David Cameron went to the EU for reforms and they just were like nah.

    We have democratically elected mps who can run the country. We don.t need an undemocratic 3rd party to do it for us.
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    (Original post by ax7fold)
    its like remoaners forgot how David Cameron went to the EU for reforms and they just were like nah.

    We have democratically elected mps who can run the country. We don.t need an undemocratic 3rd party to do it for us.
    Indeed.

    I’ve always thought it would be much of a muchness on the economy in the medium term, slightly less in the short term and better in the long term.
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    (Original post by Thalamic)
    I support remain because in case the reassessment of British finances the other week didn't prove it for anyone, we are/were not financially stable enough for such a step. Also because I think it was one of the most misinformed votes britains ever had. The people weren't an informed democracy and thus it should have been delayed until an informed vote could have been undertaken.
    Sounds more like you support the EU because you support technocracy, if we can only have democratic votes when people are informed we would never have democratic votes. Oh, and if you're wanting to talk about misinformation I'm still waiting for the 3.6-6% contraction by next March vs 2015 and the 500,000-800,000 job losses (btw, we're on track for net join creation of 500-800k and 3.6-6% growth), a 10-18% reduction in house prices would be nice but again, we're looking at the complete opposite, or a significant increase in net borrowing vs previous forecasts.

    And before you chuck out the "but we haven't left yet" line these are the forecasts for the immediate impact put out by HMT covering, well, right now, the time between the referendum and actually leaving.
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    I didn't actually vote in the referendum. I don't really have strong political opinions, unless it's from a purely economic perspective.

    Initially, I was a supporter of remain for economic reasons, I didn't want £ to drop against the $, because I'd like to move to the USA one day. However, as I dug more deeply into the figures, I realised that having a population continuously increase (both from internal births and immigration) cannot work forever assuming that resources (land, etc...) are finite. It's a Ponzi scheme.

    If populations are continuously increasing, then what happens when you don't have enough resources to support a future population? Although even at current rates, I don't think you'd reach this limit for quite a few decades. I'm actually positive about the economic future of this country, because the UK will have little choice but to deregulate London/City of London/trading, which will provide quite a big boost to the UK's GDP. I would expect the £ to $ exchange rate will eventually restrengthen over the next few years.
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    (Original post by needledropp)
    And why is that? Because i've seen all economic forecasts and current progress in brexit and have come to the substantiated conclusion that remain is better.
    Changed your name again? Let me know so I can add it to my ignore list.

    Thanks
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    (Original post by needledropp)
    Growing old Paul. You've replied to the wrong comment, that's not meant for you!
    Nope replied to the post you quoted me in but I’ll add the name to the list so I don’t have to see your inane drivel.
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    I support remain but I guess it's understandable either way and we can't really change the outcome now
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    (Original post by needledropp)
    That's rich coming from the 33yo still on TSR.

    *prepares for your desperate search for my approval*



    And why is that? Because i've seen all economic forecasts and current progress in brexit and have come to the substantiated conclusion that remain is better.
    I looked at the forecasts too and we need a million job losses, 10% economic contraction, about 3% real wage contraction, and house prices to drop by a third all in the next 6 months or so for even the optimistic forecasts to be true (beyond the blindingly obvious outcomes such as the overvaluation of Sterling being dealt with and a spike in inflation as a direct consequence). If all you do is look at the forecasts you will only ever come to one conclusion and that is: "more Europe!"

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    (Original post by stoltguyboo)
    I voted Leave...because i believe in a self governing nation and the courts and, the legislative bodies of said countries should be supreme.

    And i have a degree in Business Management before anybody, accuses me of being 'Uneducated'
    Indeed. Those with business management degrees happen to be the smartest people I know. Beyond reproach, I think the saying goes.

    It is curious that we are leaving the EU, as Parliament has said so, which would suggest that Parliament was "supreme" this whole time. It would be quite embarrassing if the cornerstone of your argument were dispelled by the consequences of the referendum in which you used the self-same argument to determine said consequence in the self-same referendum.
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    (Original post by Davij038)
    Was passionately remain (and voted so) now firmly leave.


    Perhaps one of the biggest drivers for me voting remain was the incredible number of batshit views the pro leave people have. What I’m seeing now though is that it’s just as bad on the remain side too. Some pro EU family members have literally turned fascist against leave voters which quite shocked me to be honest. (I go think the ‘left’ has hijacked this as a stick to beat the Tories with though.)


    I do not believe for a second we’ll be economically better off outside the EU (though not that much worse off either) I think a lot if the stuff posted about the EU is nonsensical and wilfully misleading- as evidenced eg by Boris Johnson getting torn apart at a select committee for instance.

    I do think, if we start getting s grip on our borders and other measures we might be more secure in ourselves and our country. Looking at Germany and France where the Front nationale and Afd are in opposition this may well be a good thing.
    Plus the Brexit result has empowered Corbyn and means when he's Prime Minister, he'll be able to nationalise what he wants, possibly without even having to go through Parliament by using the Henry the eighth powers the executive has just claimed!

    Oh the reactions of the big leave campaigners will be wonderful when it turns out they paved the way for Prime Minister Corbyn and a mass renationalsiation program.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Plus the Brexit result has empowered Corbyn and means when he's Prime Minister, he'll be able to nationalise what he wants, possibly without even having to go through Parliament by using the Henry the eighth powers the executive has just claimed!

    Oh the reactions of the big leave campaigners will be wonderful when it turns out they paved the way for Prime Minister Corbyn and a mass renationalsiation program.
    Meh. I don’t think a lot if the hard brexit era would mind as much as you make out:

    Enoch Powell said something along the lines of

    ‘I’d rather British socialism to European capitalism’
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Plus the Brexit result has empowered Corbyn and means when he's Prime Minister, he'll be able to nationalise what he wants, possibly without even having to go through Parliament by using the Henry the eighth powers the executive has just claimed!

    Oh the reactions of the big leave campaigners will be wonderful when it turns out they paved the way for Prime Minister Corbyn and a mass renationalsiation program.
    The powers still have to be voted in and time limited
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Plus the Brexit result has empowered Corbyn and means when he's Prime Minister, he'll be able to nationalise what he wants, possibly without even having to go through Parliament by using the Henry the eighth powers the executive has just claimed!

    Oh the reactions of the big leave campaigners will be wonderful when it turns out they paved the way for Prime Minister Corbyn and a mass renationalsiation program.
    And you claim Corbyn isn't far left...
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    (Original post by Hatter_2)
    And you claim Corbyn isn't far left...
    Of course I do. State control of key industries is centrist. Germany and France who have nationalised railways are clearly not far left. The state here owned Royal Mail for 499 years before it was privatised in 2013. Was the UK far left until 2013 then?

    But yes, it will be great when the Brexiteers realise that they've paved the way for a mass nationalisation programme.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Of course I do. State control of key industries is centrist. Germany and France who have nationalised railways are clearly not far left. The state here owned Royal Mail for 499 years before it was privatised in 2013. Was the UK far left until 2013 then?

    But yes, it will be great when the Brexiteers realise that they've paved the way for a mass nationalisation programme.
    What makes you think brexiteers don't want nationalisation? You sound gleefully excited that democracy can be bypassed.

    And now you're saying socialist France isn't left wing...

    Essentially, right wing means free markets and individual liberty and choice, left wing means big state and more government intervention and regulation. There are arguments for how far to go either way, but pretending none of Corbyns policies are left is nonsensical.
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    (Original post by Hatter_2)
    What makes you think brexiteers don't want nationalisation? You sound gleefully excited that democracy can be bypassed.

    And now you're saying socialist France isn't left wing...

    Essentially, right wing means free markets and individual liberty and choice, left wing means big state and more government intervention and regulation. There are arguments for how far to go either way, but pretending none of Corbyns policies are left is nonsensical.
    Brexiteers want a big renationalisation program?! Great!

    I didn't say Corbyn wasn't left, I said he's not far left. Far left would be Stalinism, not wanting to take there railways back under public control.

    I will find it quite funny though that a lot of right wing Brexiteers will have unintentionally paved the way for Prime Minister Corbyn.
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    I am still a Brexit woman.
 
 
 
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