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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Brexiteers want a big renationalisation program?! Great!

    I didn't say Corbyn wasn't left, I said he's not far left. Far left would be Stalinism, not wanting to take there railways back under public control.

    I will find it quite funny though that a lot of right wing Brexiteers will have unintentionally paved the way for Prime Minister Corbyn.
    You completely misinterpret who brexit voters are
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    (Original post by paul514)
    You completely misinterpret who brexit voters are
    I am commenting on the lead campaigners.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Brexiteers want a big renationalisation program?! Great!

    I didn't say Corbyn wasn't left, I said he's not far left. Far left would be Stalinism, not wanting to take there railways back under public control.

    I will find it quite funny though that a lot of right wing Brexiteers will have unintentionally paved the way for Prime Minister Corbyn.
    Don't get ahead of yourself. Corbyn has just lost an election and there's no evidence he would win the next one.

    Most brexiteers are democrats, and would prefer these issues to be open for debate rather than controlled by the secretive EU institutions.

    You are very insistent Brexit was a right wing movement. The reality it was a broad coalition which came together and supported leave, of left, right, and those disengaged from politics. Traditionally it was the true left which supported leaving like Tony Benn and Jeremy Corbyn, until the Blairites hijacked the Labour Party.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    I am commenting on the lead campaigners.
    Well fair enough but who gives a shiny shite what they want, it’s all about the people.

    The people aren’t against certain nationalisation ideas but they are others.
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    (Original post by Hatter_2)
    Don't get ahead of yourself. Corbyn has just lost an election and there's no evidence he would win the next one.

    Most brexiteers are democrats, and would prefer these issues to be open for debate rather than controlled by the secretive EU institutions.

    You are very insistent Brexit was a right wing movement. The reality it was a broad coalition which came together and supported leave, of left, right, and those disengaged from politics. Traditionally it was the true left which supported leaving like Tony Benn and Jeremy Corbyn, until the Blairites hijacked the Labour Party.
    There's plenty to suggest Corbyn has a good chance of winning the next election.

    The leaders of the national Brexit campaigns were predominantly right wing.

    I'm glad the Brexiteers will fully support a big renationalisation program.
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    Neither. Not allowed to vote.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    There's plenty to suggest Corbyn has a good chance of winning the next election.

    The leaders of the national Brexit campaigns were predominantly right wing.

    I'm glad the Brexiteers will fully support a big renationalisation program.
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    I voted Remain.
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    I supported remain, but after a year of research about the EU after the referendum, I am a leave supporter.
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    (Original post by Hatter_2)
    Yeah when you lose the argument, delete the common sense post. Why not rename this website to the Bornblue communist propaganda site.
    Every single time the same thing happens. You comment on a post of mine, there's a reasonable discussion for a few posts and then for some reason you start hurling rather immature insults at me, which more than anything is simply trolling.

    I'll happily debate politics with you but if you're going to reduce every debate to a personal slog fest then you're a waste of mine and everyone on here's time.
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    (Original post by Bornblue)
    Every single time the same thing happens. You comment on a post of mine, there's a reasonable discussion for a few posts and then for some reason you start hurling rather immature insults at me, which more than anything is simply trolling.

    I'll happily debate politics with you but if you're going to reduce every debate to a personal slog fest then you're a waste of mine and everyone on here's time.
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    (Original post by Hatter_2)
    I...
    As well as claiming several times that you think i'm an idiot/stupid/a compulsive liar or whatever. You don't know me, you don't know mine or anyone elses background and my background is completely irrelevant to the debate at hand.

    If you want to debate politics, then i'll debate it all day long. If you are going to keep chucking personal insults, then you're simply ruining the threads.

    Either debate the issue at hand or don't post.
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    Supported Leave and still believe Brexit is the best course to follow.

    There are several reasons for this:-

    1) The EU will need to further integrate and UK was largely the only country powerful enough to prevent further integration and now with UK out they will be free to pursue their own agenda.

    2) Largely not much will change as the world is no longer 1970 or 2000, you do not need to trade with just your neighbours and you do not even need membership in their trade area as there are always WTO rules one can rely on.

    3) Some regulations do hamper and make UK an expensive and more bureaucratic place to do business, leaving the EU will change around 15% of that as UK redtape will come back to replace all that would be abolished from the EU originated rules.

    4) My main reason for supporting Brexit has been mostly about farming and fishing. EU meddling and subsidies has made a mockery of UK fishing resources and there are more 'farms' than farms in UK these days with the Queen being one of the biggest 'farmer's in UK....... haven't found out what she cultivates yet, doubt anybody knows either.
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    I started out as a keen Brexiter, at the end I nearly voted to remain once I looked into things a lot further. If I believed the EU was going in a direction which meant countries working/trading together without the further integration; I would have voted remain. I would of even voted remain if I believed the EU was going to stay the same as it was operating for the last 5 years. However, I believe if we went for remain they would want further integration which I didn't want. If the referendum was not when it was and was let's say in 5 years, I think the Brexit vote would have been really high. I think we would have been leaving whatever at some point.

    Short-term it will have mostly a negative impact, 20 or 30 years down the line I think it will be positive (dont hold me to it!)
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    (Original post by Twinkybobs)
    I support Brexit, what do you guys support? (Please be nice to each other)
    When we take fees, hidden fees, liabilities, matched payments et al into account, leave was the correct decision. At the moment the cost of EU membership comes in at around £661 million per week, this money, with the correct people in charge, whether they be Tory, Labour, Green, Lib Dem, can be put to much better use in the UK than Europe. The single market was established to benefit the trade of goods, 80% of UK trade is with services, the single market has been a hindrance to the UK economy.

    A free trading bloc isn't a bad idea in principle, however, when we have to pay the exorbitant amounts to freely trade, then it kinds of defeats the purpose. The EU clearly want to head towards a federal state. I'm not sure I'd be happy with having the likes of Juncker ruling over the UK.

    Erasmus was established in 1987. Since then 15 million students have passed through UK universities and only 1.3% (200,000) have used Erasmus. It just isn't as attractive as remainers would like to make out since the referendum.

    900,000 British people live and work in the EU, more Brits live and work in Australia and the US. As with Erasmus, the EU just isn't an attractive option, despite what we're led to believe by EU funded elites in the UK.

    Look who's behind the establishment of the single market to understand the conglomerates don't really have the best interests of 500 million EU citizens at heart. https://www.ert.eu/members

    I have given up debating with remainers who seem to argue with feelings rather than facts. The old 'Brexiters are racist uneducated xenophobes' is weak and not worth of my time.

    Links to benefits of leaving the EU. The top link is a post put together by a friend who is an EU citizen and Cambridge educated economist. All long reads, but well worth it and absolutely essential when researching the EU. These were just a handful of papers, blogs and sources I used when determining how I would vote in the referendum:

    https://semperfidem2004.wordpress.co...low-the-money/

    https://semperfidem2004.wordpress.co...nts-are-wrong/

    http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/politicsandpo...ueezed-middle/

    http://www.migrationobservatory.ox.a...ion-in-the-uk/

    https://disqus.com/home/discussion/c...ly_pay_the_eu/

    https://www.brugesgroup.com/propagan...ll-integration

    https://medium.com/incerto/the-intel...t-13211e2d0577

    https://euobserver.com/investigations/123555

    http://facts4eu.org/news_sep2_2017.shtml

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xMuUEd6w54E

    http://www.reject-the-eu.co.uk/info/...documents.html
 
 
 
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