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    I recently went to a good university for an open day, and then a law taster day, which I did enjoy but I didn't 100% love it. It has gone down 7 places in the league tables for law and is now 20-something, i wanted to go to one in the top 10. I have got the grades to get in to the best ones if I try my hardest in the interview (I'm having a gap year so have my results already) and don't want to feel like I'm selling myself short if I go to a uni not ranked as highly.
    In short, is it crucial to look at league tables or can they be taken with a pinch of salt?
    For law is it not true that the uni you go to is looked at more so than anything else, when you go to get a job later on?
    Would I be limiting my chances of success in jobs if I go to a uni lower down the league table?
    Would there be a genuine reason as to why it fell 7 places in one year or are they quite unreliable? I did ask at the open day (an awkward question to ask!!!) and obviously they just skirted around the subject.
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    (Original post by javvyjingle)
    I recently went to a good university for an open day, and then a law taster day, which I did enjoy but I didn't 100% love it. It has gone down 7 places in the league tables for law and is now 20-something, i wanted to go to one in the top 10. I have got the grades to get in to the best ones if I try my hardest in the interview (I'm having a gap year so have my results already) and don't want to feel like I'm selling myself short if I go to a uni not ranked as highly.
    In short, is it crucial to look at league tables or can they be taken with a pinch of salt?
    For law is it not true that the uni you go to is looked at more so than anything else, when you go to get a job later on?
    Would I be limiting my chances of success in jobs if I go to a uni lower down the league table?
    Would there be a genuine reason as to why it fell 7 places in one year or are they quite unreliable? I did ask at the open day (an awkward question to ask!!!) and obviously they just skirted around the subject.
    League tables rank based upon a set methodology with weight given to certain metrics. They only matter if the methodology and weightings are measuring and prioritising things that are important to you.
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    Generally the reputation of the Uni is more important than the rep of a specific department.

    For instance a Cambridge 2.1 (Land Economy (**** degree) is still better than a 2.1 in Law from Sheffield - you'd have a higher prospect of qualifying into an MC type firm.

    Of course reputations matter - as a matter of word of mouth. No one's reading the Times Higher Education list as a Partner in a law firm. A categoric RG Uni is better than a poly which beats it by 2 places for 1 year.

    Furthermore it's pointless unless you tell me what Uni you'll be studying at and what area of law you want to go into.
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    The difference between 10 and 20 means very little in these rankings.

    Manchester is 31st and yet one of the most highly targeted universities for law.

    And no, the university you go to is actually the least important thing on your CV. But people don’t realise there are indirect benefits of going to a good uni, and that more people from lower ranked universities are not targeted, not because of their university but because they don’t have enough UCAS points/strong enough entry exam grades.
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    (Original post by PQ)
    League tables rank based upon a set methodology with weight given to certain metrics. They only matter if the methodology and weightings are measuring and prioritising things that are important to you.
    And indeed that the data set inputted is reliable or contemporaneous, which often it is not.

    (Original post by James1997c)
    Generally the reputation of the Uni is more important than the rep of a specific department.

    For instance a Cambridge 2.1 (Land Economy (**** degree) is still better than a 2.1 in Law from Sheffield - you'd have a higher prospect of qualifying into an MC type firm.

    Of course reputations matter - as a matter of word of mouth. No one's reading the Times Higher Education list as a Partner in a law firm. A categoric RG Uni is better than a poly which beats it by 2 places for 1 year.

    Furthermore it's pointless unless you tell me what Uni you'll be studying at and what area of law you want to go into.
    Sloppy logic, as the specific Land Economy course is still "better" than the Sheffield law course. In terms of competitiveness of entry, academic rigour, benefits from the supervision system at Cambridge. Take the example of Manchester: the uni is a good RG but by no means exceptional, though it is well-known and highly prestigious for a bunch of physics and maths courses. Recruiters taking in STEM students are well aware of Manchester's narrow pedigree for those courses.
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    (Original post by Notorious_B.I.G.)
    And indeed that the data set inputted is reliable or contemporaneous, which often it is not.



    Sloppy logic, as the specific Land Economy course is still "better" than the Sheffield law course. In terms of competitiveness of entry, academic rigour, benefits from the supervision system at Cambridge. Take the example of Manchester: the uni is a good RG but by no means exceptional, though it is well-known and highly prestigious for a bunch of physics and maths courses. Recruiters taking in STEM students are well aware of Manchester's narrow pedigree for those courses.
    "Sloppy logic" - these are observations from the real world. Including from one of my friends who studies LE there. You're literally just using examples to reinforce what I've already said. Nice one.
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    (Original post by James1997c)
    "Sloppy logic" - these are observations from the real world. Including from one of my friends who studies LE there. You're literally just using examples to reinforce what I've already said. Nice one.
    I love it when 12-year-olds think using "literally" makes their argument eloquent.

    No, I literally said that the specific course rep is more important than the uni-wide brand. The fact you were confused by that, which I thought was rather simple, tells us all why it is your friend doing LE at Cantab and not you.
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    I really wouldn't say Land Economy at Cambridge is better than Law at Sheffield. If anything Land Economy has a pretty poor reputation (out of all the courses at Cambridge anyway), although unfairly.
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    (Original post by Notorious_B.I.G.)
    tells us all why it is your friend doing LE at Cantab and not you.
    Loooool. This is why I always check out threads where Notorious replies.
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    (Original post by Notorious_B.I.G.)
    I love it when 12-year-olds think using "literally" makes their argument eloquent.

    No, I literally said that the specific course rep is more important than the uni-wide brand. The fact you were confused by that, which I thought was rather simple, tells us all why it is your friend doing LE at Cantab and not you.
    > Be Notorious_B.I.G
    > Calls someone a "12 year old"
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    (Original post by J-SP)
    I really wouldn't say Land Economy at Cambridge is better than Law at Sheffield. If anything Land Economy has a pretty poor reputation (out of all the courses at Cambridge anyway), although unfairly.
    Exactly. Excuse the posters who actually know nothing about prestige like Notorious. Just a lil Cambridge fan-boy.
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    (Original post by mjustliving)
    Loooool. This is why I always check out threads where Notorious replies.

    Ahhh quoted the wrong person - sorry 😐

    You weren’t right either though. Law at Sheffield won’t be better than Land Economy at Cambridge and Land Economy at Cambridge won’t be any better than Law at Sheffield.
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    (Original post by James1997c)
    Exactly. Excuse the posters who actually know nothing about prestige like Notorious. Just a lil Cambridge fan-boy.
    See my previous post.
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    (Original post by mjustliving)
    Loooool. This is why I always check out threads where Notorious replies.
    Yeah he definitely spends all his time on this site. Tragic guy lmao.
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    Notorious studies at a mid range Uni. He's overcompensating.
    Second grade intellect. Naughty.
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    Only to credulous imbeciles.
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    (Original post by James1997c)
    Notorious studies at a mid range Uni. He's overcompensating.
    Second grade intellect. Naughty.
    If I didn't know better, I would say you were upset.
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    Only to credulous imbeciles.
    Sshh please don't talk about yourself in that way Profesh :love:
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    Top quality sh*tposting in this thread so far, fairly rare to see genuinely light insults being thrown around on this forum.
    (Original post by javvyjingle)
    I recently went to a good university for an open day, and then a law taster day, which I did enjoy but I didn't 100% love it. It has gone down 7 places in the league tables for law and is now 20-something, i wanted to go to one in the top 10. I have got the grades to get in to the best ones if I try my hardest in the interview (I'm having a gap year so have my results already) and don't want to feel like I'm selling myself short if I go to a uni not ranked as highly.
    In short, is it crucial to look at league tables or can they be taken with a pinch of salt?
    For law is it not true that the uni you go to is looked at more so than anything else, when you go to get a job later on?
    Would I be limiting my chances of success in jobs if I go to a uni lower down the league table?
    Would there be a genuine reason as to why it fell 7 places in one year or are they quite unreliable? I did ask at the open day (an awkward question to ask!!!) and obviously they just skirted around the subject.
    My advice would be to use a variety of sources to get your quantitative info on your university choices. These include:

    - The three major domestic league tables (CUG, Guardian, Sunday Times). Don't rely only on the overall ranking, but look at the metrics that you care about;
    - The salary data published by the government following the DLHE survey (you can find this in the Economist ranking of British unis, under the 'Law' section);
    - The Chambers Student report on the presence of various unis in the City, and at regional law firms (check the Chambersstudent website);
    - The survey of barristers that reports on the presence of various unis at the Bar (this seems to be an elusive one, can't find it at the moment).
    - The type of law firms visiting a university's law fairs, sponsoring ambassador positions at that university, funding its Law Society or paying for names on its law prizes (e.g. the "Slaughter and May Prize for Best Overall Performance" )

    Keep in mind that all four of these sources have their limitations, both methodologically and in terms of the fact that certain universities have legitimate reasons for underperforming or overperforming in one or more of them.

    For instance, salary and % in further employment varies depending on the region, but not for all universities (it is unlikely that the North East's unemployment rates are likely to affect the employability of southern-facing Durham law grads, for example). Presence in the industry is decided by factors that have nothing to do with the quality of a course or its graduates (namely, the size of the cohort, and the % of European/international students who are likely to move abroad after graduation).
 
 
 
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