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    (Original post by Dez)
    We're talking about crime in general here, not terrorist attacks.

    Hence why I attached the stats from SOCTA. Nothing to do with terrorism.


    That's not what I said. I'm talking about rate of violent crime from these supposed groups, which as I already mentioned is completely irrelevant when it comes to validating or refuting the ideology associated to them.



    I've already posted data from the Home Office backing up this claim. The rate of hate crime within England and Wales alone is over 100 per day, if you were to look at statistics worldwide, or even just in Europe, you would see that there is plenty of race/religion-motivated criminal acts to go around.
    "We're talking about crime in general here, not terrorist attacks."

    Hence why I attached the stats from SOCTA. Nothing to do with terrorism.

    As I said, hate crime reporting isn't the same as hate crime convictions. Convictions have gone down. The police themselves, as well as the ONS, confirm that reporting has gone up because the methods of being able to report have become easier.

    In days of old Universities were places of debate - you're living proof that safe spaces are an affront to learning. The evidence is available, but your feelings come first. That isn't how life works. Educate yourself.
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    Such a reasonable man.
    Well Hillary Clinton has called out Alex Jones by name many times for saying he helped the Trump victory significantly. So for this reason you can’t call him ineffective.

    Someone can go and write a bunch of books to challenge the ideology and call out its mistruths. The book is labelled as nonsense and pseudoscience before anyone has even read it. (Let’s take Alexander Dugin’s - ThIs Fourth Political Theory for example)

    Only a few off beat people will read them and and they will collect dust at the back of libraries. People want to be lied to. They always have, they always will.

    The people who are most effective in non-violently making ideological change are people like Alex Jones, comics and showmen who create memes and entertainment displays.
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    (Original post by SarahLeicester)
    "We're talking about crime in general here, not terrorist attacks."

    Hence why I attached the stats from SOCTA. Nothing to do with terrorism.
    SOCTA's stats only concern organised crime, they don't provide stats on criminal acts in general. Further, the stats don't even mention violent crime or hate crime as far as I can tell, so I don't really see how they are relevant to the discussion.

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    As I said, hate crime reporting isn't the same as hate crime convictions. Convictions have gone down. The police themselves, as well as the ONS, confirm that reporting has gone up because the methods of being able to report have become easier.
    So? I never made any claims about the amount of hate crime increasing or decreasing.

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    In days of old Universities were places of debate - you're living proof that safe spaces are an affront to learning. The evidence is available, but your feelings come first. That isn't how life works. Educate yourself.
    WTF has this got to do with anything? :lolwut: Can you kindly not shove your agenda in my face if you're going to comment?
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    (Original post by Dez)
    SOCTA's stats only concern organised crime, they don't provide stats on criminal acts in general. Further, the stats don't even mention violent crime or hate crime as far as I can tell, so I don't really see how they are relevant to the discussion.



    So? I never made any claims about the amount of hate crime increasing or decreasing.



    WTF has this got to do with anything? :lolwut: Can you kindly not shove your agenda in my face if you're going to comment?
    There is no legal definition of hate crime, it doesn't exist. Crime overall has been consistently dropping.

    You're all over the place. You claimed the amount of 'hate crime' was up to over 100 per day. Again, hate crime reporting isn't hate crime convictions.

    You also claimed crimes by the far right well exceeded those by the far left, and had done for decades. This is clearly nonsense - Nationalism and Republicanism in Northern Ireland for a start are far left. The figures released by EUROPOL don't just relate to terrorist attacks and don't back up your claims. The ONS don't back up your claims either.

    I have no agenda other than correcting nonsense claims, I'm sorry you aren't able to deal in facts rather than feelings.
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    (Original post by SarahLeicester)
    There is no legal definition of hate crime, it doesn't exist. Crime overall has been consistently dropping.

    You're all over the place. You claimed the amount of 'hate crime' was up to over 100 per day. Again, hate crime reporting isn't hate crime convictions.

    You also claimed crimes by the far right well exceeded those by the far left, and had done for decades. This is clearly nonsense - Nationalism and Republicanism in Northern Ireland for a start are far left. The figures released by EUROPOL don't just relate to terrorist attacks and don't back up your claims. The ONS don't back up your claims either.

    I have no agenda other than correcting nonsense claims, I'm sorry you aren't able to deal in facts rather than feelings.
    Let’s go back to the my first line in this thread. Ronald Regan said that “Our Liberal friends know things that are not.”

    They get caught up in terms and concepts and therefore in their minds distort reality into the way they are perceiving it.

    This is exactly what the postmodern thinkers intended.
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