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    Absolutely. Nothing wrong with that. But it is when those quiet self-held beliefs come out into the open and are used to prevent others from living the life they choose that it all starts to go wrong.

    It is worth pointing out that someone's opposition to gay marriage is never actually going to affect or impact on the person who holds that belief. One therefore has to wonder why some folks feel so compelled to limit other people's lives. Live and let live and all that. What business is it of anyone to be bothered if two men or women decide to get married? It doesn't affect anyone other than the people involved.
    Oh you say It’s harmless? I have posted a playing card from the 1981 political prediction card game called the “Illuminati card game” by Steve Jackson, the card is called political correctness and it shows a person being hung for using an incorrect gender pronoun. It is far from harmless. It’s the use of former Soviet tactics to stop political dissent and its oppression by the social justice warriors that has spawned a new generation of social justice warriors like myself to stop this oppression. This oppression is carried out by postmodern social Marxism inspired organisations like the BBC against decent people like Margret Thatcher’s daughter for things like the use the of a wrong word for an ethnic minority, say a word that would have been common 5 of 10 years ago at any one time, in a sea of ever changing vocabulary designed to be able to create persecutions and witch hunts and create artificial problems where none exist. Let’s take the fact that based on US election stats, it can be assumed that roughly half of people support Trump. Nearly all these people will be too afraid to admit to supporting Trump in public space due to this oppression. (I am not afraid to say I support Trump even in a British government office by the way). What we need to do is kill off this ideology of silencing people and simply speak against this ideology using the terms of reference if free speech and the need to protect it.


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    (Original post by Airplanebee2)
    Oh you say It’s harmless? I have posted a playing card from the 1981 political prediction card game called the “Illuminati card game” by Steve Jackson, the card is called political correctness and it shows a person being hung for using an incorrect gender pronoun. It is far from harmless. It’s the use of former Soviet tactics to stop political dissent and its oppression by the social justice warriors that has spawned a new generation of social justice warriors like myself to stop this oppression. This oppression is carried out by postmodern social Marxism inspired organisations like the BBC against decent people like Margret Thatcher’s daughter for things like the use the of a wrong word for an ethnic minority, say a word that would have been common 5 of 10 years ago at any one time, in a sea of ever changing vocabulary designed to be able to create persecutions and witch hunts and create artificial problems where none exist. Let’s take the fact that based on US election stats, it can be assumed that roughly half of people support Trump. Nearly all these people will be too afraid to admit to supporting Trump in public space due to this oppression. (I am not afraid to say I support Trump even in a British government office by the way). What we need to do is kill off this ideology of silencing people and simply speak against this ideology using the terms of reference if free speech and the need to protect it.

    Who talks about Marxism these days? What even is it? Is the BBC really Marxist - whatever that means? How would I know?

    As for your card - could you please give me an example of someone who was hung to death in the UK for using the incorrect gender pronoun?

    And what business is it of yours if two men or women decide to get married? Or if a man wants to be addressed as a woman? How is that making your life worse? What is it to you?
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    Who talks about Marxism these days? What even is it? Is the BBC really Marxist - whatever that means? How would I know?

    As for your card - could you please give me an example of someone who was hung to death in the UK for using the incorrect gender pronoun?

    And what business is it of yours if two men or women decide to get married? Or if a man wants to be addressed as a woman? How is that making your life worse? What is it to you?
    It’s not the original Marxism. The French left intellectuals of the 1960sand the Frankfurt School changed the terms of reference to a new social Marxism where identifying group inequalities was to be identified as the problem and then they could pose solutions which helped bring about revolutionary social change. I don’t need to be called up on this because this is actually defined in the writings of those thinkers like Herbert Marcuse. I have posted a video below for your benefit.



    The card I’m sure was made with a bit of exaggeration in mind, however it is stunningly accurate as were a lot of cards made in the deck. Recently in Canada, laws were passed making it possible to jail people for using incorrect gender pronouns. With the current trajectory it could be that in 20 years that happens in this country - and liberals will say “what not jail people for a hate crime? - are you mad”. That is if people like me don’t storm your ideological temple first.

    It’s no business of mine what two men do. But if someone is going to go and persecute church men and subvert a religion, namely Christianity which forbids that and no doubt put some kind of penalty on priests for not subverting their own religion, that is wrong. I’m sure that liberals are far more interred in making Christian churches perform gay marriage than Mosques, Synagogues or Temples. Real guys that, using the law to persecute peace loving Christians, they should really try it with Syrian ISIS.
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    (Original post by Airplanebee2)
    I’m talking to the confirmation bias of the liberal left which is the mainstream in Britain.
    There is no greater confirmation bias than the right, with the greatest of all the trumpeteers. They make up lies to believe in lies. Truth comes out about Donald, it's negative, they expected it to be negative, so they just got more "evidence" that news is "fake".
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    (Original post by ByEeek)
    Who talks about Marxism these days? What even is it? Is the BBC really Marxist - whatever that means? How would I know?

    As for your card - could you please give me an example of someone who was hung to death in the UK for using the incorrect gender pronoun?

    And what business is it of yours if two men or women decide to get married? Or if a man wants to be addressed as a woman? How is that making your life worse? What is it to you?
    Conspiracy nuts like OP. They blame everything on the Frankfurt School and Social Marxism - the liberal agenda, the genocide of the white man, everything.
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      Education system that contains 0 mandatory political education and our (fairly) right wing government?

      Are you maybe the delusional one?
      Teachers are mainly SJW centrists (or what OP refers to as "liberal left").

      The government is neo-liberal, not too far from the SJW centrists (the "liberal left"). Both Cameron and Theresa May have often tried to appease Islam, for example; and kept immigration near record-high levels.

      Besides, politically charged topics in schools are rife, e.g. "human rights studies" and "religious studies", which naturally have to toe the line set out by the neo-liberal establishment.

      I think OP is attacking the wrong thing (leftism) rather than going for the main issue - neoliberalism - and I think, ironically, the biggest challenge to modern political correctness (in the UK, not Europe) comes from the "far" left. Corbyn (and the Labour party in general under his leadership) has fallen foul of PC culture far more than Theresa May, for example.
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        (Original post by Airplanebee2)
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        OP, you raise good points, but as I said above, you are attacking the wrong thing.

        Marxism isn't to blame. Leftism isn't to blame.

        This kind of nonsense originated from leftist thought, sure, but it spiraled out of control, and now the biggest promoters of it are the neoliberals.

        It is a great way to turn the attention from the class war; just turn it into a "struggle" to get black representation in politics, and that distracts from politicians' corruption. The "struggle" to get 50% females in the top 1% of earners distracts from the fact that the top 1% **** over the rest of the population.

        Just look at the Tories, for instance; nobody has done more than Theresa May to narrow the Overton Window. The biggest threat to the Overton Window - the person who will open in far, far wider - is Jeremy Corbyn.
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          (Original post by ByEeek)
          Who talks about Marxism these days?
          Do you not study in the UK?
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          (Original post by yudothis)
          Conspiracy nuts like OP. They blame everything on the Frankfurt School and Social Marxism - the liberal agenda, the genocide of the white man, everything.
          Well you managed to insult a group (exactly what I’m sure you wouldn’t do to protected groups like blacks, Muslims, gays and women - right?) but people who challenge postmodern social theory are fair game, but you haven’t managed to actually argue philosophically. “You’re a bunch of nutters” is not a philosophical rebuttal. Try harder.
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          (Original post by FriendlyPenguin)
          Teachers are mainly SJW centrists (or what OP refers to as "liberal left").

          The government is neo-liberal, not too far from the SJW centrists (the "liberal left"). Both Cameron and Theresa May have often tried to appease Islam, for example; and kept immigration near record-high levels.

          Besides, politically charged topics in schools are rife, e.g. "human rights studies" and "religious studies", which naturally have to toe the line set out by the neo-liberal establishment.

          I think OP is attacking the wrong thing (leftism) rather than going for the main issue - neoliberalism - and I think, ironically, the biggest challenge to modern political correctness (in the UK, not Europe) comes from the "far" left. Corbyn (and the Labour party in general under his leadership) has fallen foul of PC culture far more than Theresa May, for example.
          Very interesting what you write. So why do I find that leftists and especially radical leftists get very annoyed when you challenge political correctness?
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          (Original post by Airplanebee2)
          Recently in Canada, laws were passed making it possible to jail people for using incorrect gender pronouns.
          I think a bit of context is required here. It is not illegal to call someone by the wrong pronoun by accident. That is just one of those things. Happens to us all! However, if I request that my employer or bank or doctor call me Mrs, or Ms when my birth gender was Mr and they refuse on principal or for some twisted religious belief, then yes - that is discrimination and should be prosecuted in the same way that someone should be prosecuted if they denied a service on the grounds that they were a woman or black or any other difference. That would also be the law in this country and rightly so. Why is it politically correct to treat everyone equally? If you sell cakes to middle class white people, it is perfectly reasonable to expect that you would also sell cakes to black lesbian women.


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          But if someone is going to go and persecute church men and subvert a religion, namely Christianity which forbids that and no doubt put some kind of penalty on priests for not subverting their own religion, that is wrong.
          It is a fair point. But it is worth pointing out that those who practice a religion are now a minority in this country. And I have no problem with religions if they were able to sort their own kind out. But it seems to me that the Bible and other such texts are not particularly adhered to - or shall we say people cherry pick. So men can't marry men, genocide or rape is definitely unacceptable, despite being promoted as acceptable in certain instances frequently in various texts. At least liberalism is consistent - everyone is equal and should not be discriminated against on the basis of gender, race, religion etc etc.

          If you want to live somewhere were discrimination is rife, go live in Saudi Arabia.
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          It is a fair point. But it is worth pointing out that those who practice a religion are now a minority in this country. And I have no problem with religions if they were able to sort their own kind out. But it seems to me that the Bible and other such texts are not particularly adhered to - or shall we say people cherry pick. So men can't marry men, but we don't talk genocide or rape being acceptable, all of which are called for by characters in the Bible. At least liberalism is consistent - everyone is equal and should not be discriminated against on the basis of gender, race, religion etc etc.

          If you want to live somewhere were discrimination is rife, go live in Saudi Arabia.
          When you say religions “sort their on out” what you really mean is conform to postmodern social theory’s system of belief, or at least pretend to believe it and live it.

          Under liberalism every one is equal under some arbitrary pre-defined categories which are race, gender, race and sexuality. What about hair colour? People tease people for ginger hair? And what about if there is some kind of inequality between people with different shoe sizes? Or spectacle wearing people? Surely we need to be measuring and correcting for an infinite number of categories and therefore we need this massive civil service to do this. And are people equal passed on political belief? Of course not, if you disagree with postmodern social theory and are vocal about it then you need to be treated like a heretic and punished, shouted down in Twitter by virtue signalling celebrities then fired from your job and it doesn’t matter if you can’t support your family because you’re an unperson in a similar say than was defined in Soviet Communism, pay for the bullet and unmarked grave.

          If you run in politics and challenge postmodern social theory, the newspapers will just run negative exaggerated story after negative exaggerated story and it will become true in many peoples minds. The negative things will be the same kinds of things that will be true for anyone but you will be singled out and attacked over and over again.

          So no, everyone is not equal under liberalism, only people who agree are equal.
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          (Original post by Airplanebee2)
          When you say religions “sort their on out” what you really mean is conform to postmodern social theory’s system of belief, or at least pretend to believe it and live it.
          If that means they don't practice what they preach, then yes. e.g. The great Catholic Paedophile cover-up.

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          Under liberalism every one is equal under some arbitrary pre-defined categories which are race, gender, race and sexuality. What about hair colour? People tease people for ginger hair? And what about if there is some kind of inequality between people with different shoe sizes?
          You are completely missing the point. Equality in society isn't about not teasing or insulting someone. It is about not discriminating. So if you provide a service to people but choose not to provide that service to someone because they have big feet or ginger hair, then that is discrimination and is not acceptable. And that is all it is. It is really simple. I don't understand why people get so upset about it.

          You can call someone with auburn hair a ginger-nut till the cows come home. That is not discriminating against someone. That is just being nasty and I would ask why you would want to do that anyway.

          What is your obsession with Russia?
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            (Original post by Airplanebee2)
            Very interesting what you write. So why do I find that leftists and especially radical leftists get very annoyed when you challenge political correctness?
            Go into any Marxist society at Uni, and you will find not hard-core Marxists, but bourgiouse SJWs with dyed hair and the latest iPhones, who haven't read a word of socialist theory, who ironically show utter contempt for the 'unwashed masses' that they supposedly want to emancipate.

            It isn't that Marxism creates SJWs, but that the label of Marxism attracts them. I suppose the situation is a little bit like neo-Nazism - most neo-Nazis today would have been seen by the Nazis as scum and untermensch.
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            (Original post by ByEeek)
            Who talks about Marxism these days? What even is it? Is the BBC really Marxist - whatever that means? How would I know?

            As for your card - could you please give me an example of someone who was hung to death in the UK for using the incorrect gender pronoun?

            And what business is it of yours if two men or women decide to get married? Or if a man wants to be addressed as a woman? How is that making your life worse? What is it to you?
            Some on the right seem far more obsessed with Marx than the left do these days. It's really bizarre.

            I think 'Marxism' is just a generic term they use for anything they don't like, rather than it having anything to do whatsoever with Marx.
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            Do you not study in the UK?
            Yes. I have a degree and a PGCE from two different unis. None of my mates talk about him. Only on here do people seem obsessed with Marx.
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            (Original post by ByEeek)
            You are completely missing the point. Equality in society isn't about not teasing or insulting someone. It is about not discriminating. So if you provide a service to people but choose not to provide that service to someone because they have big feet or ginger hair, then that is discrimination and is not acceptable. And that is all it is. It is really simple. I don't understand why people get so upset about it.

            You can call someone with auburn hair a ginger-nut till the cows come home. That is not discriminating against someone. That is just being nasty and I would ask why you would want to do that anyway.

            What is your obsession with Russia?
            There are so many ways people are discriminated against that should be an outrage to the liberal left (to the true right, to discriminate is just your natural right), what about jobs that only require drivers? Discrimination against non-drivers, or strip joints that only want women? Chinese restaurants that hire only Chinese? Not enough men in play schools or as nurses? First class sections of airplanes that only allow people with lots of money? Fighter pilots have to have 20/20 vision. What about someone born with bad eye sight?

            What I’m really saying is that you have defined some arbitrary categories and you only care about discrimination in these categories and usually only one way, for example people have been jailed for racists tweets whites to blacks, but politicians themselves have said that black peoples can’t be racist because racism is precise plus power. So in other words we jail people for our political objectives. All of this being nice business is just a front for creating offence sensitivity as a weapon. People are so normalise to this weaponised use of taking offence that they often don’t question it.
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            Some on the right seem far more obsessed with Marx than the left do these days. It's really bizarre.

            I think 'Marxism' is just a generic term they use for anything they don't like, rather than it having anything to do whatsoever with Marx.
            No there is a factual and objective thread where Marxism morphed into the ideas of Antonio Gramsci, Adorno, Horkheimer, Derrida, Foucault, Herbert Marcuse etc. and there is a synthesis of these postmodern thinkers which can be summed up as: The west has an oppressive and authoritarian ideology which results in a negative cultural hegemony resulting in inequalities and alienation. The solution is to bring about a consortium of grievances so large as to actually challenge the superstructure.

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            No there is a factual and objective thread where Marxism morphed into the ideas of Antonio Gramsci, Adorno, Horkheimer, Derrida, Foucault, Herbert Marcuse etc. and there is a synthesis of these postmodern thinkers which can be summed up as: The west has an oppressive and authoritarian ideology which results in a negative cultural hegemony resulting in inequalities and alienation. The solution is to bring about a consortium of grievances so large as to actually challenge the superstructure.

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            Again, the only people who seem to obsessed with Marxism are those on the right who go on and on about it, like you are doing.

            Hardly anyone on the left even talks about it anymore. In fact those on the left only refer to Marx in the context of critiquing capitalism. This whole obsession with Marxism equating to SJWs and PC culture and safe spaces, is a product of the right's obsession. It has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Marx.

            The levels of paranoia are bizarre.
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            Again, the only people who seem to obsessed with Marxism are those on the right who go on and on about it, like you are doing.

            Hardly anyone on the left even talks about it anymore. In fact those on the left only refer to Marx in the context of critiquing capitalism. This whole obsession with Marxism equating to SJWs and PC culture and safe spaces, is a product of the right's obsession. It has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Marx.

            The levels of paranoia are bizarre.
            The the trendy died hair lefty hipsters don’t talk about Marx, I agree it’s correct. They are basically programmed with a script laid out by postmodern radical academics who had an agenda of social change. They do not realise this and most of them are not even aware of these thinkers. Just know - Marxism was rebranded because it was no longer sexy after people found out what was happening in the Soviet Union. It is not paranoid because the precise things that these people said are being reflected in these groups I described.

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