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Paul Manafort, President Trump's ex-campaign manager, has been charged on 12 counts including conspiracy against the United States, conspiracy to launder money, unregistered agent of a foreign principal, false and misleading statements under the Foreign Agent Registration Act, false statements, and seven counts of failure to file reports of foreign bank and financial accounts. This indictment is related to special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation into possible coordination between the Trump campaign and Russia to influence the 2016 election.

Beginning of the end for Trump? I think so. I can't wait to see what the Trumpites say... doubtless they'll find a way to blame Hillary Clinton. :lol:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-us-canada-41805324
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The former manager of Donald Trump's presidential campaign, Paul Manafort, is to face charges related to an inquiry into alleged Russian election meddling, US media report.
He was seen arriving at an FBI office in Washington with his lawyer early on Monday.

An investigation headed by special counsel Robert Mueller is looking into any links between Russia and the Trump campaign.

Both sides deny any collusion.
You can read the full BBC Article here. but what do you think of the story? And what do you expect to come of the investigation, if you have any theories yourself?
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In my opinion, everything is quite straightforward but Washington just twists everything like a telephone cord. Putin helped Trump, everyone knows. Trump is a mistake, a chink in the electoral system, everyone knows. Indicting his campaign manager truly is the first step, but let's see how it plays out, heh?
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Well this is going to be interesting. inb4 "Fake news!"
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(Original post by Snufkin)
Beginning of the end for Trump?
He cannot survive this. In terms of first-year in office, Trump is the most unpopular president ever. Many people in his own party absolutely despise him. And Trump shows no loyalty to his own people, his underlings; he has a history and reputation for using his people and then dropping them when they cease to be useful to him (he did this to Giuliani, Christie, Spicer) so when his aides get indicted, it won't take them long to conclude that they are far safer co-operating with the Special Counsel and cutting a deal than sticking with Trump.

Trump really has no political capital, and these indictments and the Trump/Russia scandal is going to keep spinning out over the next three years (federal prosecutions tend to go on for years). There is no possibility of Trump being re-elected, and a good chance he will be impeached (he will resign before impeachment).

In fact, we've already had signals from the Trump camp about how they will play this. Trump surrogates have dropped little rumours into the public sphere that Trump has Alzheimers. This way he will be able to step down without losing face, and if his collusion with the Russians is proven they will say his Alzheimers means he was not culpable for these crimes. There will be a wave of sympathy for him and he will step down, everyone will breathe a sigh of relief that he's gone so he won't be pursued and prosecuted for his crimes.

Personally, I think Trump has to end up in a prison cell for life if the collusion allegations are proven. Treason and collusion with foreign powers cannot be forgiven or forgotten.

I can't wait to see what the Trumpites say
Who cares what those idiots say or think. Up until last week many of them were claiming there would be no indictments, that secretly Mueller supported Trump and the investigation was just for show. Now they are saying that Manafort was actually a Democratic plant (even though Manafort has worked for the Republican Party for decades).

Trumpites are in complete denial, and they will continue to be in denial even as Trump is led away in handcuffs after stepping down / being impeached and then being prosecuted.

... doubtless they'll find a way to blame Hillary Clinton. :lol:
Indeed, the idiotic and baseless conspiracy theories have already begun; they are desperately trying to deflect attention to a completely made-up scandal involving Hillary Clinton and the sale of a uranium company, something in which she had no involvement at all.

Ultimately, that deflection won't work because the only people they are convincing is themselves.
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This isn't something the GOP or conservative media can downplay, this isn't something that can be sidelined or forgotten about in a week. This is the special prosecutor, tasked specifically with investigating possible collusion between the Trump Campaign and the Russians, filing federal conspiracy charges against the ex-chairman of the Trump Campaign. This isn't a little fish or a bit player they can feign plausible deniability over, they've gone straight to the top.

It's going to be a wild week.
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It just got even more incredible. After screaming about no collusion, a third indictment has just happened:

George Papadopolous has pleaded guilty to making false statements to the FBI, the federal special counsel just announced. Papadopolous, who was a foreign policy adviser to the Trump campaign team, pleaded guilty in a case that has just been unsealed now. The Chicago-based international energy lawyer becomes the third adviser to President Donald Trump's campaign to face criminal charges in the investigation.

This is decidedly worse for Trump than the first two indictments. Holy moly.

Edit: Indictment shows Papadopolous has almost certainly flipped to giving up information to the FBI https://twitter.com/frankthorp/statu...09159443111936
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(Original post by Nyimane)
In my opinion, everything is quite straightforward but Washington just twists everything like a telephone cord. Putin helped Trump, everyone knows. Trump is a mistake, a chink in the electoral system, everyone knows. Indicting his campaign manager truly is the first step, but let's see how it plays out, heh?
i was just about to scream racist, but then i realised its not meant to be interpreted that way :rofl:
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Confirmation in the indictments about the nature of charging Papadopolous:

On 27 January 2017, not long after the president took office, ex-Trump foreign policy adviser George Papadopolous "made false statements and omitted material facts to the FBI regarding his interactions during the Campaign with foreign contacts, including Russian nationals", the FBI charges read. He admitted lying about his contacts with a Russian professor and a representative of the Russian Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
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Who cares what those idiots say or think.

Trumpites are in complete denial,
I wouldn't describe myself as a Trumpite, I have severe reservations about his personality and the extent that his flaws makes him fit to be President.

BUT we have to be fair and balanced here, something the British media are conspicuously failing to be. The BBC and Channel 4 News, ITV News and Sky can't help but work themselves into an incoherent rage about all things Trump. With their foam flecked, crazed, chops drooling at ridiculously hyped stories like this (and all the others).

Throughout last week direct evidence of Russian Collusion by Hillary Clinton designed to sway the 2016 election emerged. So useless Special Prosecutor Mueller - a man linked directly to the Clinton/Russia Uranium One scandal - had to do something on the Trump enquiry. Today two men have been arrested. If this is the best that the opponents of Donald Trump can come up with he is in the clear.

Paul Manafort was briefly in charge of the Trump campaign in 2016. Rick Gates works for Manafort. The 12 charges against them are nothing at all to do with that campaign and predate it by up to ten years. They stand accused of massive money laundering and tax fraud involving Ukranian crooks from 2006 onwards. This should have been dealt with by normal Department of Justice officers but so desperate is Mueller to spring some prosecutions on the Trump team that he has gone for this.

Does this justify the hundreds of millions of dollars spent by Federal Authorities investigating the "Trump Dossier" which - as we now know was funded by and leaked by crooked Hillary Clinton? No.

(Original post by AlexanderHam)
Indeed, the idiotic and baseless conspiracy theories have already begun; they are desperately trying to deflect attention to a completely made-up scandal involving Hillary Clinton and the sale of a uranium company, something in which she had no involvement at all.

Ultimately, that deflection won't work because the only people they are convincing is themselves.
The American people are convinced (or enough of them to win the next election) that Hilary accepted tens of millions of dollars from a Putin crony to pay for (amongst other things) her daughter's wedding dress, for favours bestowed as Secretary of State.

Why? Because it is true.
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Hillary clinton's dealings with the uranium is before russia's annexation of crimea, at that time the relationship between US and Russia was still okay and there were no major sanctions.
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these charges are ermm trumped up

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This isn't something the GOP or conservative media can downplay, this isn't something that can be sidelined or forgotten about in a week. This is the special prosecutor, tasked specifically with investigating possible collusion between the Trump Campaign and the Russians, filing federal conspiracy charges against the ex-chairman of the Trump Campaign. This isn't a little fish or a bit player they can feign plausible deniability over, they've gone straight to the top.

It's going to be a wild week.
The Special Prosecutor has no credibility except with the already convinced Democrats and the fake news media . He is a well known stooge of crooked Hilary and the Democrats. Linked himself to the Hillary/Russian corruption scandal.

He has to find hard evidence of Trump wrongdoing. Ignore the hysteria of the mainstream media. He hasn't, although not for want of trying.

How do we know? It would have been leaked already. That is how the Dems work. Their modus operandi.

Thee guys have been spending months on this "investigation" and millions of dollars. And this is the best they can come up with???
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these charges are ermm trumped up

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This isn't a time for puns! 😠 lol
Anyway at least he's the EX manager
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it is quite likely that The Donald will lash out at N Korea to bring down the curtain on his dismal term in office.
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Manafort was Trump's campaign chairman, so it's difficult to see how easily Trump can distance himself from this - hence Trump's blizzard of irrelevant diversionary tweets blaming everyone from the FBI to Hillary and the man in the moon to the Pope.

Even the right wing media aren't bothering to hide this much - Fox is covering it wall to wall, a sure sign that even the right of the Republicans are moving away from Donald.
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Thee guys have been spending months on this "investigation" and millions of dollars. And this is the best they can come up with???
"the best they can come up with" - ?? :lolwut:

You do realise that he was the Chairman of Trump's campaign? Do you imagine that he was some minor branch officer of it or something?
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it is quite likely that The Donald will lash out at N Korea to bring down the curtain on his dismal term in office.
We have to hope that Congress wouldn't let him get away with anything that blatant, but if Kim's regime are crazy enough to provoke the US still further, then yeah, I think that's a pretty standup theory.

Note that Trump has also now lost a Republican majority in the Senate, so his room for anything further is getting distinctly limited.
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I think the outcome will largely depend on how loyal this guy is to Trump. If he insists Trump knew nothing and effectively throws himself on the grenade (possibly to expect a pardon later) Trump could have plausible deniability.

Alternativel this guy could go down the route of "if I'm going down, you're going with me". The authorities will probably take a looooong time going over this due to the implications of removing a president from office.
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Trump is like a cockroach in terms of survival, so we'll see what happens.
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