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    (Original post by Nebuchadnezzaṛ)
    No proof of collusion. If the Russians spent that money on their own without collusion with Trump then he has nothing to do with it.
    No proof, other than his campaign manager was deeply in bed with them, his son in law and his most trusted mates were having secret meetings with them and he was funded by Russian gangster money when he went bankrupt.

    Apart from all that, there is no 'smoking gun'. Yet, anyway.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    Well, I think many would consider having the Russians spending millions on his behalf in a secretive campaign 'cheating'. But that's just many people.
    Many more people know that there is not a shred of evidence to support that....unlike of course the missing millions from the Clinton Foundation which strangely enough had to close down once she lost the election. No presidency, of course, meant no bribes for the Clintons. I wonder, whatever happened to the Haitian money.
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    (Original post by nutz99)
    Many more people know that there is not a shred of evidence to support that....unlike of course the missing millions from the Clinton Foundation which strangely enough had to close down once she lost the election. No presidency, of course, meant no bribes for the Clintons. I wonder, whatever happened to the Haitian money.
    Recycling old lies. The Clintons raised $30m through their own trust, all of which was spent in Haiti with no charges by them.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37826098

    Trump tried to conflate the overall Haiti disaster funding with the Clinton's own foundation. The Clintons had a role in managing the overall funding and it is fully accounted for, Unfortunately, as with all of these international disasters, most of the money was used to pay companies and governments to bring in short-term relief, rather than long term aid. This is a common problem for all disaster relief efforts. The UN spent most of the money.

    Incidentally, why are Trumpoids continuing to bang on about Hillary? Did you not notice that she isn't the President, so it's totally irrelevant to Trump's obvious corruption and collusion with Putin?
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    Incidentally, why are Trumpoids continuing to bang on about Hillary?
    Because they have no defence to Trump's obvious treason and they desperately need to deflect attention.

    For those Trump supporters with lower than average IQ (most of them, really), they get worked up over this because they've been told to get worked up over it, even though there's no substance to it.

    The alt-right are idiots, they think and say whatever Trump / Bannon / Richard Spencer tell them to.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    Before everyone gets too exited Trump getting booted out and replaced with a more competent evil Republican is the worse possible scenario. He needs to hang on until the next election, make the republican party a joke, then get a democrat back in.
    He's not going to get booted out. It is yet more hysteria from the mainstream media and the TSR hard left.

    Just been listening to The World Tonight on Radio 4. It is risible, it should be renamed, what didn't happen in the World tonight.

    Endless speculation from over excited "Washington Correspondents about this being "the beginning of the end." Hypotheses about possible wire traps that will have taped Trump or his supporters, interviews with insignificant Democrats in Congress.

    Lots of hot air. No evidence of "collusion." Nothing that involves Trump. Nothing.

    It was vapid, vacuous, a miasma of meaning free nothingness. Empty microphones. Why do we pay for this rubbish in our licence fee???

    Why don't the BBC lead with the real news story of the moment? The fact that Spain is disintegrating in front of our eyes? That would be a serious journalistic sense of priority. What is happening in Catalonia will be remembered when all this transient, Trump nonsense du jour, has long been forgotten.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)

    Incidentally, why are Trumpoids continuing to bang on about Hillary? Did you not notice that she isn't the President, so it's totally irrelevant to Trump's obvious corruption and collusion with Putin?
    Because the dossier that YOU guys were having orgasms over, the one about the Russian hookers urinating on a bed to please the Donald, was a pack of lies paid for by the DNC and the Clinton campaign!

    Frankly, the fact that its author used to be the Head of the Russia Desk at MI6 makes one worry about the security of the nation. Is that the best he could come up with??

    Congrats on getting all that money out of them though. We now know they paid him millions for it...
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    Recycling old lies. The Clintons raised $30m through their own trust, all of which was spent in Haiti with no charges by them.
    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-us-2016-37826098
    The BBC is no longer a credible source. pretty much anything spouted by them is pro-left or anti-right wing.


    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    Trump tried to conflate the overall Haiti disaster funding with the Clinton's own foundation. The Clintons had a role in managing the overall funding and it is fully accounted for, Unfortunately, as with all of these international disasters, most of the money was used to pay companies and governments to bring in short-term relief, rather than long term aid. This is a common problem for all disaster relief efforts. The UN spent most of the money.
    The Haitian people would disagree with you on that point. The Clintons are pretty much the closest you will get to the Mafia in politics. Calling them crooked is very much an understatement.


    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    Incidentally, why are Trumpoids continuing to bang on about Hillary? Did you not notice that she isn't the President, so it's totally irrelevant to Trump's obvious corruption and collusion with Putin?
    If Trump and Putin had colluded and there was any real evidence we would have seen it by now. Old fake news trying to shift the attention away from Clinton for selling 20% of America's Uranium to Russia. The Clintons are dodgy as hell. You know it, I know it, everyone knows it.
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    (Original post by generallee)
    Because the dossier that YOU guys were having orgasms over, the one about the Russian hookers urinating on a bed to please the Donald, was a pack of lies paid for by the DNC and the Clinton campaign!

    Frankly, the fact that its author used to be the Head of the Russia Desk at MI6 makes one worry about the security of the nation. Is that the best he could come up with??

    Congrats on getting all that money out of them though. We now know they paid him millions for it...
    Knowing that the Russians have a hold over the President of the United States like this worries any sane person about the security of the world.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    Knowing that the Russians have a hold over the President of the United States like this worries any sane person about the security of the world.
    Don't accuse someone who disagrees with you, but you have no answer to, of insanity. It is hardly worthy of the soi disant "third best debater on TSR."

    You guys are right in one respect, mind. Photographic evidence has at last emerged of Trump having extensive dealings with someone proven to have colluded with the Russians...

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    (Original post by generallee)
    Don't accuse someone who disagrees with you, but you have no answer to, of insanity. It is hardly worthy of the soi disant "third best debater on TSR."

    You guys are right in one respect, mind. Photographic evidence has at last emerged of Trump having extensive dealings with someone proven to have colluded with the Russians...

    I wasn't accusing anyone of insanity, but your post made me laugh anyway.
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    when i first heard about all the clinton stuff i was thinking,

    those **** happened at the time when US-Russia relationship wasnt that bad so it should not be seen in the light of treason right? i mean the US-Russia relationship only hit bottom because of the sanctions due to the annexation of crimea, if anyone knowingly have any business with Russia after that only it counts as "undermining US foreign policy"


    and also, even if there is any stain on clinton, shes not the president and not holding any important position anymore, if trump use this uranium story as an excuse to fire mueller, can we all agree that he is trying to distract and deflect blame?
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    "Papadopoulos joined Trump’s campaign early in March 2016. Days later he spoke to an unnamed Trump “supervisor” who spelled out the campaign’s principal foreign policy objective: “an improved US relationship with Russia”.
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...a-charge-putin

    The orders came from the top and have Trump's fingers all over them.
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    (Original post by Snufkin)
    Then nothing will convince you. :facepalm:
    Just like you having nothing on Trump you mean?

    If Clinton's campaign is totally clean why exactly has Tony Podesta with strong ties to Democrat campaigns for decades, including Clinton's, stood down from his lobbying position because he's been pulled into the investigation? The investigation isn't only into the Trump campaign, it's into the Clinton campaign too if there is anything to investigate.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    "Papadopoulos joined Trump’s campaign early in March 2016. Days later he spoke to an unnamed Trump “supervisor” who spelled out the campaign’s principal foreign policy objective: “an improved US relationship with Russia”.
    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...a-charge-putin

    The orders came from the top and have Trump's fingers all over them.
    And yet the Washington Post (that well known bastion of Trumpism) report that when taken higher the decision was made that it would not be pursued, and that's from published documents related to the investigation.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/polit...=.9b6f79106d2a
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Just like you having nothing on Trump you mean?

    If Clinton's campaign is totally clean why exactly has Tony Podesta with strong ties to Democrat campaigns for decades, including Clinton's, stood down from his lobbying position because he's been pulled into the investigation? The investigation isn't only into the Trump campaign, it's into the Clinton campaign too if there is anything to investigate.
    No, John Podesta, who left the Podesta Group all the way back in '93, was Hillary's campaign manager. Neither Tony Podesta nor the Podesta Group had anything to do with Hillary's campaign. Tony is in trouble because he is caught up in the Manafort-Ukraine shitstorm.
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    Wait, conspiring against the US, money laundering and foreign lobbying only carry, with 9 other charges, a sentence of 10-15 years??? that's as much as a first time marijuana possession in some states.
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    There's been a bit of movement on this- Carter Page, the lowest level and frankly the least interesting of the three indictments, has testified that he informed Jeff Sessions about a trip to Russia back in the June 2016, despite Sessions' repeated testimony over the last year that he knew of no contact between members of the Trump Campaign and Russia. The trip also aligns nicely with Papadopoulos' documented plan to send someone "low level in the campaign" to Russia to act as a campaign rep in "off the record" meetings.
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    (Original post by Gofre)
    There's been a bit of movement on this- Carter Page, the lowest level and frankly the least interesting of the three indictments, has testified that he informed Jeff Sessions about a trip to Russia back in the June 2016, despite Sessions' repeated testimony over the last year that he knew of no contact between members of the Trump Campaign and Russia. The trip also aligns nicely with Papadopoulos' documented plan to send someone "low level in the campaign" to Russia to act as a campaign rep in "off the record" meetings.
    But... Hillary!
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    (Original post by Gofre)
    There's been a bit of movement on this- Carter Page, the lowest level and frankly the least interesting of the three indictments, has testified that he informed Jeff Sessions about a trip to Russia back in the June 2016, despite Sessions' repeated testimony over the last year that he knew of no contact between members of the Trump Campaign and Russia. The trip also aligns nicely with Papadopoulos' documented plan to send someone "low level in the campaign" to Russia to act as a campaign rep in "off the record" meetings.
    Interesting developments. It is increasingly looking as if Manafort led the Putin 'mission to Trump' and that the Trump inner circle knew all about it and welcomed it. The background has to be that the Russians have a hold over Trump, most probably connected to the Russian mafia loans that refloated him after his bankruptcy.
 
 
 
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