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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    So if it's not an attempted rape, how would you class a grown man trying to force sex onto a 14-year old? Do you think it's consensual or something? Quite worried about you if you do.

    Spacey should be investigated by the police, there can be no doubt that he was engaged in a paedophile sexual assault.
    gets your facts right. paedophiles like children, teenagers are not children anymore once they hit puberty. the concept of adulthood is a legal one, but there is a clear biological distinction between children pre- and teens post-puberty

    finding someone aged 14 attractive does NOT make you a paedo. finding someone aged 10 attractive DOES make you a paedo.

    the difference is puberty and the development of sexual characteristics.
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    (Original post by oldboy2007)
    gets your facts right. paedophiles like children, teenagers are not children anymore once they hit puberty. the concept of adulthood is a legal one, but there is a clear biological distinction between children pre- and teens post-puberty

    finding someone aged 14 attractive does NOT make you a paedo. finding someone aged 10 attractive DOES make you a paedo.

    the difference is puberty and the development of sexual characteristics.
    Day to day though people don't bother with the distinction, both pedophilia and I forgotten the name for pubescent minors both fall under pedo, and it's whether we go for the common language peso or the specific terminology.

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    Day to day though people don't bother with the distinction, both pedophilia and I forgotten the name for pubescent minors both fall under pedo, and it's whether we go for the common language peso or the specific terminology.

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    It's not that most people don't bother it's that most people are unaware. It's hebephilia / ephebophilia for early / late adolescents.

    It doesn't matter people not knowing what it's called. Just knowing someone who finds teenagers attractive is not a paedophile is enough.

    I find teenagers attractive, and that's not to say that I am exclusively attracted to teenagers. It just means sometimes I'll come across a teenager and think, **** me she's fit. The more developed they are or the more I can visualise how they're going to look (sometimes the facial structure is set), the more likely I am going to evaluate them on their sexual attractiveness.

    I would be very offended to be called a paedo as I have never been sexually attracted to children. When I was a teenager, I found some other teenagers sexually attractive, as well as some adults sexually attractive. I see absolutely no reason why just because I am now an adult that I am not allowed to find any teenagers attractive. Of course, usually what ever I would find sexually attractive in a teenager I would find simply more so in a corresponding adult. So it is unlikely I would be attracted to most teenagers, but there are some when they are developed by a certain point that meets a baseline and you can just *see* how attractive they are and how attractive they're going to be. Of course, I wouldnt break the legal age of consent for legal reasons, but there is no biological reason why I shouldn't find them attractive.
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    (Original post by Trinculo)
    Michael Jackson was a sick Paedophile. End of.
    As I said there is little evidence supporting that - look into it if you don't believe me. Don't get sucked into false rumours by conspiracy nuts, who again tried slandering him with false reports of child porn in his Neverland home(another throughly debunked claim). Very very low of them.
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    (Original post by oldboy2007)
    It's not that most people don't bother it's that most people are unaware. It's hebephilia / ephebophilia for early / late adolescents.

    It doesn't matter people not knowing what it's called. Just knowing someone who finds teenagers attractive is not a paedophile is enough.

    I find teenagers attractive, and that's not to say that I am exclusively attracted to teenagers. It just means sometimes I'll come across a teenager and think, **** me she's fit. The more developed they are or the more I can visualise how they're going to look (sometimes the facial structure is set), the more likely I am going to evaluate them on their sexual attractiveness.

    I would be very offended to be called a paedo as I have never been sexually attracted to children. When I was a teenager, I found some other teenagers sexually attractive, as well as some adults sexually attractive. I see absolutely no reason why just because I am now an adult that I am not allowed to find any teenagers attractive. Of course, usually what ever I would find sexually attractive in a teenager I would find simply more so in a corresponding adult. So it is unlikely I would be attracted to most teenagers, but there are some when they are developed by a certain point that meets a baseline and you can just *see* how attractive they are and how attractive they're going to be. Of course, I wouldnt break the legal age of consent for legal reasons, but there is no biological reason why I shouldn't find them attractive.
    There is a distinct difference between finding people who could be in those age groups attractive and making advances when more than 10 years their senior. Finding them attractive is not illegal, making advances while not necessarily illegal in and of itself has a clear illegal intent to it.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    There is a distinct difference between finding people who could be in those age groups attractive and making advances when more than 10 years their senior. Finding them attractive is not illegal, making advances while not necessarily illegal in and of itself has a clear illegal intent to it.
    if given the opportunity (ie legal, or at least reasonably / not reckless assumed to be legal), I too would make advances when 10 year their senior. It wouldn't matter whether I'm 26 or 56. The older you are, the higher status you will be if you can pull off the greatest age difference between the two parties. The best compliment a man of 50 can receive is "your girlfriend or your daughter"?

    Kevin Spacey would only be in the wrong if and only if he knowingly or recklessly made a pass to a legal minor w/regards to age of consent.
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    (Original post by oldboy2007)
    It's not that most people don't bother it's that most people are unaware. It's hebephilia / ephebophilia for early / late adolescents.

    It doesn't matter people not knowing what it's called. Just knowing someone who finds teenagers attractive is not a paedophile is enough.

    I find teenagers attractive, and that's not to say that I am exclusively attracted to teenagers. It just means sometimes I'll come across a teenager and think, **** me she's fit. The more developed they are or the more I can visualise how they're going to look (sometimes the facial structure is set), the more likely I am going to evaluate them on their sexual attractiveness.

    I would be very offended to be called a paedo as I have never been sexually attracted to children. When I was a teenager, I found some other teenagers sexually attractive, as well as some adults sexually attractive. I see absolutely no reason why just because I am now an adult that I am not allowed to find any teenagers attractive. Of course, usually what ever I would find sexually attractive in a teenager I would find simply more so in a corresponding adult. So it is unlikely I would be attracted to most teenagers, but there are some when they are developed by a certain point that meets a baseline and you can just *see* how attractive they are and how attractive they're going to be. Of course, I wouldnt break the legal age of consent for legal reasons, but there is no biological reason why I shouldn't find them attractive.
    The distinction between paedophilia and the other terms is largely academic; sex with anyone under the age of 16 is still illegal and perpetrators would still be viewed as child abusers by the public at large. Are you attracted to girls as young as 13 or 14?
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    (Original post by oldboy2007)
    if given the opportunity (ie legal, or at least reasonably / not reckless assumed to be legal), I too would make advances when 10 year their senior. It wouldn't matter whether I'm 26 or 56. The older you are, the higher status you will be if you can pull off the greatest age difference between the two parties. The best compliment a man of 50 can receive is "your girlfriend or your daughter"?

    Kevin Spacey would only be in the wrong if and only if he knowingly or recklessly made a pass to a legal minor w/regards to age of consent.
    I hope you're joking, that's very creepy. Status? Really? :rolleyes:
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    (Original post by Trinculo)
    With celebrities, it's a very simple formula.

    If your work product is looked upon favourably by a large number of people and you are successful and relatively attractive - it's pretty much a certainty that you can get away with almost anything. Your fans will simply make excuses for you, and if enough people say that the allegations against you are lies...you're home free.

    If your work product is marginal, you have limited supporters and you're objectively unattractive - well you've had it.

    Rolf Harris, Jimmy Saville, Gary Glitter - not a huge body of work, not a huge body of devoted fans = guilty, perverted criminals.

    Michael Jackson, Bill Wyman, Bill Clinton - huge numbers of supporters, long track record = misunderstood, victims or circumstance or media lies.

    Simply put, if you take allegations at face value - where is multiple Oscar winner Kevin Spacey? Is he closer to Rolf Harris or Michael Jackson in terms of profile? That's where his case will probably go.
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    With celebrities, it's a very simple formula.

    If your work product is looked upon favourably by a large number of people and you are successful and relatively attractive - it's pretty much a certainty that you can get away with almost anything. Your fans will simply make excuses for you, and if enough people say that the allegations against you are lies...you're home free.

    If your work product is marginal, you have limited supporters and you're objectively unattractive - well you've had it.

    Rolf Harris, Jimmy Saville, Gary Glitter - not a huge body of work, not a huge body of devoted fans = guilty, perverted criminals.

    Michael Jackson, Bill Wyman, Bill Clinton - huge numbers of supporters, long track record = misunderstood, victims or circumstance or media lies.

    Simply put, if you take allegations at face value - where is multiple Oscar winner Kevin Spacey? Is he closer to Rolf Harris or Michael Jackson in terms of profile? That's where his case will probably go.
    not true for chris brown, he was becoming one of the most famous and loved music artist but then became to most hated
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    (Original post by Snufkin)
    I hope you're joking, that's very creepy. Status? Really? :rolleyes:
    As is often the case with threads like this, we are attracting some people who want to justify their manipulative and creepy behaviours.
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    cuz im spaceing out bro, whoaa
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    I mean, I just can't bring myself to care that much. If it happened (why are we just assuming it absolutely positively did? Do you think there aren't vindictive people out there who can make up a story? Even if there is some truth, surely there's a chance the guy misremembers some details?), it's pretty disgusting, but he was apparently smashed and I hardly think it qualifies as sexual assault by the sounds of how far it went. A few people are demonizing Spacey now as though he's another Weinstein; it's utterly bizarre to me.
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    1. It is being talked about.
    2. Sounds harsh but a single person has come forward, with others it's dozens. In addition it sounds like he was very drunk. No excuse, but together it does not sound like something systematic like Weinstein, that carried on for decades, and was exploitative on top (suck me off or I ruin your career).
    3. His distraction of "well guys I am gay" is pathetic. I am hugely disappointed.
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    In short - it’s because the left and the media put him on the victim complex for coming out meaning any criticism of him is bigotry and hate speech.

    Also because rape against boys still isn’t treated equally and because the media are homophobes and still draw subconscious connections between homosexuality and paedophillia which allows them to rationalise it.

    You didn’t see this when straight man Roman Polanski raped a 14 year old girl...
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    (Original post by oldboy2007)
    gets your facts right. paedophiles like children, teenagers are not children anymore once they hit puberty. the concept of adulthood is a legal one, but there is a clear biological distinction between children pre- and teens post-puberty

    finding someone aged 14 attractive does NOT make you a paedo. finding someone aged 10 attractive DOES make you a paedo.

    the difference is puberty and the development of sexual characteristics.
    I agree, 14 year old girls can be beautiful. But like a dog can be cute or a cat. Something objectively aesthetic. If you say you find them sexually attractive I dare say you are in a minority and quite disgusting. The mere fact that you know you as an adult make are so much more developed should put you off. In fact, if anything you sound like a tots creep that is turned on by the vulnerability of these young girls.
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    (Original post by yudothis)
    I agree, 14 year old girls can be beautiful. But like a dog can be cute or a cat. Something objectively aesthetic. If you say you find them sexually attractive I dare say you are in a minority and quite disgusting. The mere fact that you know you as an adult make are so much more developed should put you off. In fact, if anything you sound like a tots creep that is turned on by the vulnerability of these young girls.
    He also doesn't see a problem with Harvey Weinstein (https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/sho....php?t=5013138) and is seeking "fit girls" doing Comp Sci. (https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/sho....php?t=4984914)

    And here he is on TSR, the forum for schoolkids and students. Quelle surprise.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    He also doesn't see a problem with Harvey Weinstein (https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/sho....php?t=5013138) and is seeking "fit girls" doing Comp Sci. (https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/sho....php?t=4984914)

    And here he is on TSR, the forum for schoolkids and students. Quelle surprise.
    Didn't know that about him, however I already know his username from other views he holds. Let me guess his view on Weinstein is "he gets sex they get a career" so it's win win for both parties? And yes, I wouldn't be surprised if he pays for sex with barely legal girls.
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    (Original post by Connor27)
    In short - it’s because the left and the media put him on the victim complex for coming out meaning any criticism of him is bigotry and hate speech.

    Also because rape against boys still isn’t treated equally and because the media are homophobes and still draw subconscious connections between homosexuality and paedophillia which allows them to rationalise it.

    You didn’t see this when straight man Roman Polanski raped a 14 year old girl...
    Well, Roman Polanski had sex with a minor. Spacey merely hinted at wanting to have sex with one. It is little bit like eating a cake, and going to reach for one and pulling back your hand.
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    (Original post by yudothis)
    I agree, 14 year old girls can be beautiful. But like a dog can be cute or a cat. Something objectively aesthetic. If you say you find them sexually attractive I dare say you are in a minority and quite disgusting. The mere fact that you know you as an adult make are so much more developed should put you off. In fact, if anything you sound like a tots creep that is turned on by the vulnerability of these young girls.
    I have already explained why I could find some teenage girls attractive though less likely than an adult (eg, more 24 year olds are attractive than 14 year olds, by the dint of physical development). So I'm not going to repeat myself. It really depends on the actual development, not an age number.

    If they develop earlier relative to their peers, want to express their sexuality and are actually good looking, there is nothing vulnerable about it, beyond legal constraints. Of course you shouldn't commit a crime against their person, but that would apply to a girl / woman or indeed person of any age.

    I have already stated I have never found children attractive, so I don't see the problem. Mammals in the wild are ready to mate as soon as they hit puberty. If a teenager develops slowly, eg no tits baby fat and still looks like a kid then of course I could not find them attractive. Because I have repeatedly pointed out, only paedophiles like children, sexual characteristics actually turn them off.
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    (Original post by Fullofsurprises)
    He also doesn't see a problem with Harvey Weinstein (https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/sho....php?t=5013138) and is seeking "fit girls" doing Comp Sci. (https://www.thestudentroom.co.uk/sho....php?t=4984914)

    And here he is on TSR, the forum for schoolkids and students. Quelle surprise.
    I have my own ethical code of course, and I would always seek to ensure legal compliance. I know where the lines are drawn, and where you can't cross.

    You can find me distasteful all you like, I don't care. I offer one view of the human world, your mileage may differ.
 
 
 
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