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Suburra - best crime show since Breaking Bad! Watch

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    Just started watching an amazing show called Suburra, released a few weeks ago on Netflix. It's an Italian crime drama, somewhat following in the foot steps of the show Gomorrah but ten times more intelligent, with far more interesting and complex characters.

    The show is about crime, corruption and power in Rome, from the perspectives of the mafia, the politicians and also the Vatican. Yes, you have the shootings and heists and tense meetings between mafia bosses. You also have scenes set in curial meetings at the Vatican, in genteel Roman cocktail parties and in the city council. The show depicts the murky nexus of corruption that joins all three together in Rome. Insofar as the writers want to depict the world beyond the criminals, the institutional / bureaucratic / social factors influencing them, it's very much like The Wire (and may end up being just as good).

    The three central characters, three young men who are drawn together inextricably by their involvement in a crime, are very relateable. I won't say anything more on that except to say Spadino (one of the characters) is ludicrously adorable.

    I cannot recommend this show highly enough, check out the trailer here below (not sure why full-screen is unavailable, click the Youtube button if you do want to watch it full-screen)

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    Will give it a go. I like Gomorra because it has no redeeming features. Every single person involved is a scumbag and I feel nothing positive for any of them.
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    (Original post by gjd800)
    Will give it a go. I like Gomorra because it has no redeeming features. Every single person involved is a scumbag and I feel nothing positive for any of them.
    That's part of the problem. I don't mind anti-heroes (I really liked Breaking Bad and The Sopranos), I don't mind flawed individuals. The problem with Gomorrah is that they are not just money-grabbing sociopaths, they're also completely charmless. They are two-dimensional characters (the exceptions to that being Prince and the gay one)
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    (Original post by AlexanderHam)
    That's part of the problem. I don't mind anti-heroes (I really liked Breaking Bad and The Sopranos), I don't mind flawed individuals. The problem with Gomorrah is that they are not just money-grabbing sociopaths, they're also completely charmless. They are two-dimensional characters (the exceptions to that being Prince and the gay one)
    I dunno that their being charmless translates as being two dimensional, but I take the point. I personally enjoy the idea that a lot of these guys are just catastrophic shitbags with nothign else going on for them.

    Along similar lines, have you seen the French series Braquo? That was good for having immoral, terrible people that you nevertheless kinda liked.
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    (Original post by gjd800)
    I dunno that their being charmless translates as being two dimensional, but I take the point.
    I think it was only watching Suburra that caused me to look at Gomorrah in a more critical light, and to question the writing decisions. I think I got more out of four episodes of Suburra than two entire seasons of Gomorrah. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's a bad show, I just think it's a good show not a great one.

    I personally enjoy the idea that a lot of these guys are just catastrophic shitbags with nothign else going on for them.
    The problem with that is you get no character arc, it's just all plot. They never change, they're just arse holes doing something, and then they do something else, and then another something. Entertaining somethings, maybe, but not profound or emotionally engaging in any way. Characterisation is just as important as plot (maybe more) to good writing.

    Along similar lines, have you seen the French series Braquo? That was good for having immoral, terrible people that you nevertheless kinda liked.
    Is it the one with Gerard Depardieu? Either way, no I have not seen it.
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    (Original post by AlexanderHam)
    I think it was only watching Suburra that caused me to look at Gomorrah in a more critical light, and to question the writing decisions. I think I got more out of four episodes of Suburra than two entire seasons of Gomorrah. Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying it's a bad show, I just think it's a good show not a great one.



    The problem with that is you get no character arc, it's just all plot. They never change, they're just arse holes doing something, and then they do something else, and then another something. Entertaining somethings, maybe, but not profound or emotionally engaging in any way. Characterisation is just as important as plot (maybe more) to good writing.



    Is it the one with Gerard Depardieu? Either way, no I have not seen it.
    I guess it depends if your dislike of them is active or passive! Looking forward to giving this a go, though - will probably have a look tonight

    No, that's Marseilles (also good), Braquo has Jean-Hugues Anglade playing a morally-ambiguous copper in a specialist crime squad. He's dirty in some ways but he's also a likeable bloke with some sort fo moral compass (just not a conventional one). Worth a look if you like French crime stuff.
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    (Original post by gjd800)
    No, that's Marseilles (also good), Braquo has Jean-Hugues Anglade playing a morally-ambiguous copper in a specialist crime squad. He's dirty in some ways but he's also a likeable bloke with some sort fo moral compass (just not a conventional one). Worth a look if you like French crime stuff.
    I will check it out, almost reminds me a little of The Shield; it's about a corrupt group of LAPD detectives who, nonetheless, have some decent aspects to their character.

    Have you seen it? It's a little bit older now but really quite good.

    Have you seen the movie Chopper?
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    (Original post by AlexanderHam)
    I will check it out, almost reminds me a little of The Shield; it's about a corrupt group of LAPD detectives who, nonetheless, have some decent aspects to their character.

    Have you seen it? It's a little bit older now but really quite good.

    Have you seen the movie Chopper?
    I loved the Shield, I'm old enough to have seen it first time around when it aired, haha! Not seen Chopper, though. Am I missing out?
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    (Original post by gjd800)
    Not seen Chopper, though. Am I missing out?
    Best Australian crime movie ever, by a long shot. Made almost 20 years ago but still holds the title (maybe Animal Kingdom came close). Very disturbing but also quite funny. Also unmistakeably Aussie in its outlook and vernacular. The entire film is available on YouTube, it's only 90 minutes so well-worth a watch.

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    Prison break*
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    (Original post by AlexanderHam)
    Best Australian crime movie ever, by a long shot. Very disturbing but also quite funny. Also unmistakeably Aussie in its outlook and vernacular. The entire film is available on YouTube, it's only 90 minutes so well-worth a watch.

    Cheers man, will bookmark it.
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    just finished watching it was sh*t
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    just finished watching it was sh*t
    Are you really that desperate for attention? :yawn:
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    (Original post by AlexanderHam)
    Are you really that desperate for attention? :yawn:
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    Are you really that desperate for attention? :yawn:
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    7.4 on imdb

    breaking bad is like 1st or 2nd on imdb
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    Suburra (the series) is alright but the characters being young kills the realism. Suburra film is better in this regard. If I recall correctly, Gomorra was more accurate (I'm unsure because they made different films/series/episodic movies).

    1992 and 1993 are much better in explaining Italy. Anyways, Rome, where different powers meet with art and history, is a fascinating location for films. La grande bellezza being another example.
 
 
 
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