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    (Original post by alain22)
    I find it highly ironic how you say we should stop Islam like we do Nazism and advocate for fascist policies like stopping people from following islam.

    1) Stopping the following islam is impossible - there are muslims here who'll never comply + streisand effect (a favourite by you ppl)

    2) Borders to stop illegal migrants is something id support. Except they dont enter via jumping the border in most cases.

    3) how does one quantify integration? silly proposal really.

    4) Dont think there's anything more generic than "strong foreign policy"

    5) Everytime you invade the middle east, it leaves a vacuum of area that's got no control or authority. and every time its filled by islamist extremists. that's a fact even the far right in many cases have accepted.

    you also ignore the fact that most terrorism is homegrown through something called radicalisation. Your idiocy makes the UKIP manifesto look like a book written by god.
    BOIIIIII hot damnnnnnn this is SPICYYYYYYYYY.
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    (Original post by D3LLI5)
    I go to Cambridge and already have a very high paying job waiting for me so your assessment is slightly inaccurate. The solution I presented would work, if you want to criticise it then go ahead, resorting to a crap attempt at ad hominem just shows your inability to contribute to this debate
    Haha - wow justifying your close-minded opinion and your education or lack thereof on a Student Forum.
    You make me laugh
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    (Original post by humanteaparty)
    And you saying that leaving the middle east alone is a liberal opinion when its one shared by the vast majority of right wing people is also laughable.
    Wrong. It's not shared by the vast majority. http://news.sky.com/story/sky-poll-a...syria-10615075

    And in a country which is majority centre right, your claim is complete bs.
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    Have an authoritarian state which prevents people from practicing Islam? Or in fact any religion?
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    (Original post by del1rious)
    Have an authoritarian state which prevents people from practicing Islam? Or in fact any religion?
    Because that's feasible and will be realistically achievable right?
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    (Original post by alain22)
    Yes, we all know it's a populist policy.

    Except that a huge number of trump supporters cheered him on when he fired those tomahawks into Syria. So to pretend like a significant number of right wingers dont support military intervention is stupid.
    1) Those tomahawks were targeting a government facility suspected of producing chemical weaponry.
    2) Trump supporters cheer no anything he does. The right wing in the UK don't support Trump. He's a populist idiot.

    **** why did I waste my time with this thread. Its clear you never wanted an answer to your original question.
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    (Original post by humanteaparty)
    1) Those tomahawks were targeting a government facility suspected of producing chemical weaponry.
    2) Trump supporters cheer no anything he does. The right wing in the UK don't support Trump. He's a populist idiot.

    **** why did I waste my time with this thread. Its clear you never wanted an answer to your original question.
    Well no idiot, because so far you've been trying to defend the right, you havent answered the question.
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    (Original post by edd522)
    You're saying that Muslims would bomb western countries for not accepting Islam?
    No - not at all.
    I'm saying that they only way that they'd make people "stop following Islam" is by persecution and force.
    And therefore, the Muslim Countries in the world would speak out - perhaps violently
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    The argument lies in the question of how integrated are ideologies of terror and Islam? This then unravels the assimilation vs multiculturalism debate as well as interventionist vs preservationist approach.

    Personally, I believe Abrahamic religion as a whole is an outdated concept and does not fit with a world that is globalizing and becoming multicultural (both concepts that are economically necessary imo). However, I believe in freedom more and people should be allowed to use a value system to guide their thought if they so choose.
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    (Original post by alain22)
    Because that's feasible and will be realistically achievable right?
    Sure is, anyone caught practicing can be locked up in the already oversubscribed prisons, or alternatively executed.
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    (Original post by alain22)
    Wrong. It's not shared by the vast majority. http://news.sky.com/story/sky-poll-a...syria-10615075

    And in a country which is majority centre right, your claim is complete bs.
    2017 General Election results. 43% Right wing party share. 50% Left wing party share.

    Your claims are BS. Your data proves we were both wrong. And majority of country support left wing parties.

    /close thread.
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    (Original post by del1rious)
    Nuke the Middle East
    Bish they'll nuke you back 10 times harder
    Then what?
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    (Original post by DarthRoar)
    Well I'm right wing and I'd suggest leaving other countries to their own business. Funnily enough, it's been left wing liberals like obama and hillary bombing the hell out of the middle east leading to ISIS, not right wingers.
    Trump and Bush say hi. The USA's foreign policy has always been one opposite to what you're suggesting.
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    (Original post by alain22)
    I find it highly ironic how you say we should stop Islam like we do Nazism and advocate for fascist policies like stopping people from following islam.

    1) Stopping the following islam is impossible - there are muslims here who'll never comply + streisand effect (a favourite by you ppl)

    2) Borders to stop illegal migrants is something id support. Except they dont enter via jumping the border in most cases.

    3) how does one quantify integration? silly proposal really.

    4) Dont think there's anything more generic than "strong foreign policy"

    5) Everytime you invade the middle east, it leaves a vacuum of area that's got no control or authority. and every time its filled by islamist extremists. that's a fact even the far right in many cases have accepted.

    you also ignore the fact that most terrorism is homegrown through something called radicalisation. Your idiocy makes the UKIP manifesto look like a book written by god.
    Wow. 👏👌
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    (Original post by humanteaparty)
    2017 General Election results. 43% Right wing party share. 50% Left wing party share.

    Your claims are BS. Your data proves we were both wrong. And majority of country support left wing parties.

    /close thread.
    You said "vast majority". Ive proven beyond doubt that a significant proportion of the right do support military intervention.

    The country is majority centre right, that's common knowledge.
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    (Original post by del1rious)
    Sure is, anyone caught practicing can be locked up in the already oversubscribed prisons, or alternatively executed.
    Again, it's impractical. Also this thread is for realistic solutions that can pass through the house of commons not right wing crap.
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    (Original post by alain22)
    I find it highly ironic how you say we should stop Islam like we do Nazism and advocate for fascist policies like stopping people from following islam.

    1) Stopping the following islam is impossible - there are muslims here who'll never comply + streisand effect (a favourite by you ppl)

    2) Borders to stop illegal migrants is something id support. Except they dont enter via jumping the border in most cases.

    3) how does one quantify integration? silly proposal really.

    4) Dont think there's anything more generic than "strong foreign policy"

    5) Everytime you invade the middle east, it leaves a vacuum of area that's got no control or authority. and every time its filled by islamist extremists. that's a fact even the far right in many cases have accepted.

    you also ignore the fact that most terrorism is homegrown through something called radicalisation. Your idiocy makes the UKIP manifesto look like a book written by god.
    Throwing around buzzwords like fascism without actually understanding what they mean does not constitute a reason against stopping the worship of Islam. Policies should be made off their own merits not because 'it might be [[inaccurately]] labelled fascist".

    1. Stopping people believing in Islam cannot be done in a flash, granted, but re-education and moulding young minds while at school will statistically contribute to a reduction. Throwing around terms like the Streisand effect without understanding them properly is not an argument either, the same argument you just made there could be used to justify legalising murder, since banning it will apparently just make people want to do it more.

    2. Strong borders also includes a strong group focused on finding, fining and deporting illegal immigrants. Such methods of illegal immigration you mention can also be prevented by proper administration.

    3. Integration involves changing your cultural values to fit the values of the host country. An example of this is not wearing the burka but it would also include such things as having fewer children, actually interacting with natives, speaking English, having loyalty to the country etc etc

    4. A strong foreign policy is a general term, it involves such things as direct military action, accepting human losses, taking a pragmatic approach, saying no to countries who disagree with you etc. The current foreign policy of European states is by those metrics not strong.

    5. There's a reason it's always filled with Islamic extremists. Get rid of Islam and they might actually stand a chance of developing civilized democracies.

    6. Homegrown terrorism is a direct result of multiculturalism, allowing people to live in parallel societies within your country, detesting everything about it, leads to such attacks
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    (Original post by alain22)
    You people seem keen on wasting your lives on internet arguments about Islam and its role in terrorism (which is mostly drivel)

    So what is your solution to the problem that is reasonable and can bring genuine change?

    Because as far as the rest of us are concerned, over the past 50 years the world has become a safer place and terrorist attacks have gone down. Except for when you invade the middle east, leave a vacuum for terrorists to take over and then a new radical group forms to spread terror against the nations that attacked it. Bin Laden notoriously said "You undermine our security, we undermine yours". Well, the solution most liberals stick with is leaving the middle east alone and allow for the ideologies to die out.

    What do you have that's better?
    The fact that you seem unwilling to even accept that there is a problem with Islam and whether Islamic beliefs do infringe on Western Liberalism shows that whatever proposal we make will be more effective than what you believe in. Despite what the politicians say, Islam does indeed promote policies which exploit the lack of education and reliance on religion in the Middle East in order to create terror. If we do not actively seek out to tackle the issue, it will not do anything but get worse.
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    (Original post by D3LLI5)
    Throwing around buzzwords like fascism without actually understanding what they mean does not constitute a reason against stopping the worship of Islam. Policies should be made off their own merits not because 'it might be [[inaccurately]] labelled fascist".

    1. Stopping people believing in Islam cannot be done in a flash, granted, but re-education and moulding young minds while at school will statistically contribute to a reduction. Throwing around terms like the Streisand effect without understanding them properly is not an argument either, the same argument you just made there could be used to justify legalising murder, since banning it will apparently just make people want to do it more.

    2. Strong borders also includes a strong group focused on finding, fining and deporting illegal immigrants. Such methods of illegal immigration you mention can also be prevented by proper administration.

    3. Integration involves changing your cultural values to fit the values of the host country. An example of this is not wearing the burka but it would also include such things as having fewer children, actually interacting with natives, speaking English, having loyalty to the country etc etc

    4. A strong foreign policy is a general term, it involves such things as direct military action, accepting human losses, taking a pragmatic approach, saying no to countries who disagree with you etc. The current foreign policy of European states is by those metrics not strong.

    5. There's a reason it's always filled with Islamic extremists. Get rid of Islam and they might actually stand a chance of developing civilized democracies.

    6. Homegrown terrorism is a direct result of multiculturalism, allowing people to live in parallel societies within your country, detesting everything about it, leads to such attacks
    1. you haven't explained why the streisand effect does not apply here.

    2. And how will that work? where will the money come from?

    3. An authoritarian approach is simply not feasible

    4. Good. And then when the next al qaeda comes and blows up another two of our skyscrapers we'll accept those losses too.

    5. How do you get rid of an idea though? It's impossible.

    None of your solutions are really realistic and have a chance of being accepted and passed through as law. You pretend like it'll work but you seem to ignore the ramifications that'll come with it. Again, it's lazy thinking. You believe that doing one thing will go smoothly and that'll be the only way it goes.
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    (Original post by rugbycricket)
    The fact that you seem unwilling to even accept that there is a problem with Islam and whether Islamic beliefs do infringe on Western Liberalism shows that whatever proposal we make will be more effective than what you believe in. Despite what the politicians say, Islam does indeed promote policies which exploit the lack of education and reliance on religion in the Middle East in order to create terror. If we do not actively seek out to tackle the issue, it will not do anything but get worse.
    I accept that there's a problem with Wahhabism and Saudi Arabia funding these ideas to spread in the western world. But none of this is creating terrorism.

    Again, mate. Im asking what's the solution?
 
 
 
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