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    (Original post by J-SP)
    Where did you get that figure from?

    For a law firm I worked for, it was nearly 25% of applicants from Oxbridge alone.

    And that was after targeting over 30 universities.
    Sure, I even said it was a guess as the econ classes, where most of the applicants come from, are approx 150 in size except imp where it doenst exist but not all will be interested/know bout IB so 120*5 + say 50 to 60 in imp where most go for engineering/silicon valley firms
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    (Original post by Samendra)
    Sure, I even said it was a guess as the econ classes, where most of the applicants come from, are approx 150 in size except imp where it doenst exist but not all will be interested/know bout IB so 120*5 say 50 to 60 in imp where most go for engineering/silicon valley firms
    It was a really poor guess. Your estimates are out all about the place. But good try.

    I’d recommend brushing up on these type of brain teaser estimates should you be applying for any “strat” consulting jobs. They won’t be impressed with how poor a job you have done.
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    (Original post by J-SP)
    At least you now admit your did inter-change them.

    You provided me with a post on here which didn’t prove your argument. You need to try harder if you want to be taken seriously.

    And again, please prove your point and we might take you seriously. Just stating these things over and over again doesn’t make you any more correct each time you post them.
    I never was trying to hide that i was interchanging them, im not trying to prove anything to you, if you want go and search it up otherwise why would i care what you chose to belive
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    (Original post by Doonesbury)
    That's the key point
    Well, yes. But you seem to be suggesting university is irrelevant, rather than just insufficient, which is an obvious falsehood.

    I would also like to point out that at the likes of Deloitte applications are only university-blind in the early stages. From my understanding it's likely to come up in the interview.
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    i never was trying to hide that i was interchanging them, im not trying to prove anything to you, if you want go and search it up otherwise why would i care what you chose to belive
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    lel, i didnt change definitions, i merely uses a synonym
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    (Original post by Rinsed)
    Well, yes. But you seem to be suggesting university is irrelevant, rather than just insufficient, which is an obvious falsehood.

    I would also like to point out that at the likes of Deloitte applications are only university-blind in the early stages. From my understanding it's likely to come up in the interview.
    No i'm not saying it's irrelevant - and neither did that chart. It's just, for most roles in most companies, by no means the most important thing.

    Deloitte: https://www2.deloitte.com/uk/en/page...cruitment.html

    • The introduction of school and university-blind interviews to help prevent unconscious bias and ensure that job offers are made on the basis of present potential, not past personal circumstance. Interviewers no longer have access to details of an applicant’s school or university until an offer has been made;"
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    (Original post by Samendra)
    lel, i didnt change definitions, i merely uses a synonym
    There must be a new definition for synonym if that’s the case.
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    You've gotta love Doonesbury
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    (Original post by humanteaparty)
    Universities specialise in different subjects.

    Comparing universities as a whole is utterly meaningless.
    Could not agree more, tables scoring universities over all subject areas are really crude measures.

    If one took the ten strongest subjects for each university (not the same subjects just each particular university's high scoring ones) and then compared the average score re this measure the only thing I would be confident about is Oxford and Cambridge would likely still be 1,2 or 2,1, other than that places 3 downward would be nothing like current tables.

    At times it is like comparing the student who sat three A levels and got AAB with one who sat 8 A levels and got AAAABBCC, on average the first is stronger, actually the second is the stronger student if judged on their best three results.
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    (Original post by Doonesbury)
    No i'm not saying it's irrelevant - and neither did that chart. It's just, for most roles in most companies, by no means the most important thing.
    I doubt it's ever the most important thing, but it is far from unimportant for a lot of graduate level jobs. I mean obviously, it depends on the role, but it's hardly just the bankers. Generally in a job where your academics and the quality of your degree are important your institution will at least be looked at.

    It's worth pointing out that this is an entirely rational thing to judge on. Universities are quite selective, the caliber of student will be reasonably well (although obviously nowhere near perfectly) correlated with the caliber of the institution they attend. Faced with hundreds of applications for a grad scheme, it's not unreasonable to do a bit of sifting.

    Deloitte: https://www2.deloitte.com/uk/en/page...cruitment.html

    • The introduction of school and university-blind interviews to help prevent unconscious bias and ensure that job offers are made on the basis of present potential, not past personal circumstance. Interviewers no longer have access to details of an applicant’s school or university until an offer has been made;"
    I stand corrected. I will say I have, anecdotally, heard things which contradict that idea, but this policy is only a couple of years old IIRC so I suppose it's a journey.
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    (Original post by DJKL)
    Could not agree more, tables scoring universities over all subject areas are really crude measures.

    If one took the ten strongest subjects for each university (not the same subjects just each particular university's high scoring ones) and then compared the average score re this measure the only thing I would be confident about is Oxford and Cambridge would likely still be 1,2 or 2,1, other than that places 3 downward would be nothing like current tables.

    At times it is like comparing the student who sat three A levels and got AAB with one who sat 8 A levels and got AAAABBCC, on average the first is stronger, actually the second is the stronger student if judged on their best three results.
    The Times Good University Guide has that (sort of) - it has a list of universities ranked according to the number of top positions they have across 67 subjects.

    1. Cambridge (top in 30 subjects)

    2. Oxford (5 subjects)

    3= Edinburgh (3 subjects)
    3= Glasgow
    3= Loughborough
    3= St Andrews
    3= Strathclyde

    8= Bath (2 subjects)
    8= Birmingham
    8= Durham
    8= Imperial College London

    12= Bangor (1 subject)
    12= Bristol
    12= Exeter
    12= Lancaster
    12= London School of Economics (not for Economics...)
    12= Newcastle
    12= Nottingham
    12= Robert Gordon
    12= Sheffield
    12= Surrey
    12= Sussex
    12= Warwick

    https://st.hitcreative.com/education...eatures/id/251
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    (Original post by Doonesbury)
    The Times Good University Ranking has that (sort of) - it has a list of universities ranked according to the number of top positions they have across 67 subjects.

    1. Cambridge (top in 30 subjects)

    2. Oxford (5 subjects)

    3= Edinburgh (3 subjects)
    3= Glasgow
    3= Loughborough
    3= St Andrews
    3= Strathclyde

    8= Bath (2 subjects)
    8= Birmingham
    8= Durham
    8= Imperial College London

    12= Bangor (1 subject)
    12= Bristol
    12= Exeter
    12= Lancaster
    12= London School of Economics (not for Economics...)
    12= Newcastle
    12= Nottingham
    12= Robert Gordon
    12= Sheffield
    12= Surrey
    12= Sussex
    12= Warwick

    https://st.hitcreative.com/education...eatures/id/251
    If extended until say each university had their 10,15, or 20 bests, i.e. add alongside their second, third, fourth places until the requisite number is reached, then total the numbers, lowest score wins.

    Cambridge is obviously first with 30x1, Oxford, well depends how many second places thought suspect they would get spot 2 and so on.

    The catch is how many subjects and how you deal with very slight variants re course names offered by same university but which are, essentially, the same degree e.g. I know St Andrews offered Computer Science and Internet Computer Science, if say third in both seems a tad unfair to get awarded two third places for essentially very similar courses. (I think from memory re my son years 1 and 2 were identical re compulsory courses, they only differed within honours (years 3 and 4)) same with my daughter, she could after second year have either continued to Geography or Sustainable Development MA.

    edit;_ not sure how both St Andrews and Durham got a first in English, maybe one was language one literature?
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    (Original post by DJKL)
    If extended until say each university had their 10,15, or 20 bests, i.e. add alongside their second, third, fourth places until the requisite number is reached, then total the numbers, lowest score wins.

    Cambridge is obviously first with 30x1, Oxford, well depends how many second places thought suspect they would get spot 2 and so on.

    The catch is how many subjects and how you deal with very slight variants re course names offered by same university but which are, essentially, the same degree e.g. I know St Andrews offered Computer Science and Internet Computer Science, if say third in both seems a tad unfair to get awarded two third places for essentially very similar courses. (I think from memory re my son years 1 and 2 were identical re compulsory courses, they only differed within honours (years 3 and 4)) same with my daughter, she could after second year have either continued to Geography or Sustainable Development MA.
    You don't need to worry about course names, you just work your way across the 67 subject ranking tables in, say, The Good Uni guide (CUG and The Guardian have subject rankings too if you prefer them).

    It's just a spreadsheet exercise that anyone with a bit of time can do. But that person ain't moi

    But it will end up with something exactly the same as original overall ranking, because essentially the overall ranking is the collation of all those subject rankings anyway.
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    (Original post by DJKL)
    edit;_ not sure how both St Andrews and Durham got a first in English, maybe one was language one literature?
    They were 1st= for English, Oxford is 3rd.
    https://st.hitcreative.com/education.../league-tables
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    (Original post by Doonesbury)
    They were 1st= for English, Oxford is 3rd.
    https://st.hitcreative.com/education.../league-tables
    I see, the indecisive adjudicator at work.
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    (Original post by Doonesbury)
    You don't need to worry about course names, you just work your way across the 67 subject ranking tables in, say, The Good Uni guide (CUG and The Guardian have subject rankings too if you prefer them).

    It's just a spreadsheet exercise that anyone with a bit of time can do. But that person ain't moi

    But it will end up with something exactly the same as original overall ranking, because essentially the overall ranking is the collation of all those subject rankings anyway.
    I will certainly not be doing it, but it would be interesting. If the tables are re 67 subjects then say top 25 scores might be a decent, albeit arbitrary, line to draw.

    A bit like rating football team squads, first team squad only and ignore the reserves.
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    (Original post by DJKL)
    I will certainly not be doing it, but it would be interesting. If the tables are re 67 subjects then say top 25 scores might be a decent, albeit arbitrary, line to draw.

    A bit like rating football team squads, first team squad only and ignore the reserves.
    Hmm... I still think it will tend to be very similar to the overall ranking.
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    (Original post by Doonesbury)
    Hmm... I still think it will tend to be very similar to the overall ranking.
    I suspect that depends on the number of scores used, the lower the number the more variance, the higher the number it will trend to the published overall figures
 
 
 
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