(Original post by Notorious_B.I.G.)
The Ivy League is related to the time at which these schools were established and it not a group of excellence. Therefore, it is much closer to the Red Brick or Plateglass categorisations. Many excellent unis are not within it, such as Stanford, MIT, Caltech, UCLA. Plus Dartmouth is really the weakest in that group, according to the international rankings (your sole criterion for the Big 8), and there is little sense is placing it on an equal footing with Harvard and Yale.
So the Ivy League is not really a "our best" vs "their best", and there is no reason to be beholden to the number 8. Firstly, theirs is a much larger country with many more universities and so it makes sense for them to have more better universities than us. Secondly, the only true comparison to the best Ivy League schools, or more sensibly their best 8 schools, are Oxbridge (+LSE and UCL, depending on the course). Really, it should be the Big 2. As people constantly remark, owing to your obsession with Manchester, there is no way in hell an economics or law degree is in the same world as an econ degree from Oxford or Yale.
I never said that and you seem to be hurt by this idea of Manchester.
I understand the premise of the Ivy League, but it has been classed for its inherently prestigious brand, just like the Russell Group. Of course, not all members of the League are good or better than universities outside like I mentioned before, it still does not remove the prestige that comes with being a student at the University.
If you have read my posts from objective lens, you will see that I clearly followed the idea of the Ivy League to be replicated in the UK. If there are 8 members of the Ivy League, it makes logical sense to have 8 members of the UK version of the Ivy League. Now the entries of the UK version is up to debate (such as we are having now).
The Ivy League may not be "their best" vs "our best", but the Big 8 are consistently ranked as the top 8 universities in world rankings (please see my previous posts).
In the end, people have to decide what is best for them. If they choose to go to Warwick because they feel that it is good, then so be it. The idea that one makes a proposition and backs it up with some evidence should not start a war on TSR.
If I had mentioned the Big 8 and added certain TSR-loving universities like Warwick, Bristol or St. Andrews, there would be applause. Now these universities are not among, there is anger that the metrics might be wrong.