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    (Original post by yudothis)
    Quite frankly, it matters jack all what your opinion of rape is. A lack of no is not consent. It's scary you don't know that. And is many others. And not just not knowing, but not understanding.

    lets talk about sexual assualt

    [and btw rape is a form of sexual assault]

    a quick google search throws up this:

    https://www.rainn.org/articles/sexual-assault

    "The term sexual assault refers to sexual contact or behavior that occurs without explicit consent of the victim. "

    So let me ask you, have you ever passionately kissed or been kissed by someone without explicitly giving your verbal consent or getting consent from the person you kissed.

    go on, make my day, try and claim that you've never done this.

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    (Original post by ANM775)
    lets talk about sexual assualt

    [and btw rape is a form of sexual assault]

    a quick google search throws up this:

    https://www.rainn.org/articles/sexual-assault

    "The term sexual assault refers to sexual contact or behavior that occurs without explicit consent of the victim. "

    So let me ask you, have you ever passionately kissed or been kissed by someone without explicitly giving your verbal consent or getting consent from the person you kissed.

    go on, make my day, try and claim that you've never done this.

    this will be gud..
    Of course I've done this. But unlike you i have learned more about the topic. And I have only ever done this with people I was in a relationship which is arguably somewhat different to kissing a stranger. But anyway, I never said I was always perfect, nor was the guy who wrote the article.

    You like James Bond? What do you think of the older movies? Say Goldfinger. In the shed. Where he forces himself onto her and then suddenly she stops struggling and is like oooh James. Do you think he raped her?
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    (Original post by yudothis)
    Of course I've done this. But unlike you i have learned more about the topic. And I have only ever done this with people I was in a relationship which is arguably somewhat different to kissing a stranger. But anyway, I never said I was always perfect, nor was the guy who wrote the article.

    You like James Bond? What do you think of the older movies? Say Goldfinger. In the shed. Where he forces himself onto her and then suddenly she stops struggling and is like oooh James. Do you think he raped her?


    Your excuse about it being different than kissing a stranger [thereby implying it's acceptable] is a poor excuse, especially from a feminist ..as I am SURE you would call a man forcing his wife to have sex rape, yet it was only classed as rape when they changed the law in the late 90's IIRC. I am sure you agree with this law change and would be protesting outside Westminster if things ever changed back.

    Just because you know a person, or are in relationship with a person does not mean you can do what you like to them. [I'd never thought i'd be saying this to a feminist lol]

    If you want the truth, I actually do not object to the justification you gave for technically breaking the law, I simply used the law to spin it into sexual assault/rape ....which is exactly what you just did to me a few posts back.

    sexual assault is not as black and white as you get verbal consent or you've committed a crime. The world doesn't quite work like that. The fact that i've been able to by definition of the law cast you as sex offender wholly proves this point.





    and I do not remember the Goldfinger scene you describe. I would have to see it for myself to give an opinion on the matter, i'm not going to give an opinion on a scene without seeing it, so if you have link then show it
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    You're not worth discussing. I quite clearly mentioned a relationship because one would assume those two are much better st telling if someone wants you to kiss them. And you go on about marital rape. You want a cookie for knowing it was only recently made illegal?

    And no you haven't because I didn't do it against the wishes of the girls in question, the whole point is that guys can't go "but she didn't struggle, but she didn't say no", that is complete ********. If you want to do it without asking, you better be sure you're right and they want it too. But if you do do it without asking and they didn't want it, don't afterwards go crying about how "she changed her mind" as so many even on this site do.

    You're attempt of trying to spin **** to catch me out or whatever, is pathetic.
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    (Original post by yudothis)
    You're not worth discussing. I quite clearly mentioned a relationship because one would assume those two are much better st telling if someone wants you to kiss them. And you go on about marital rape. You want a cookie for knowing it was only recently made illegal?

    And no you haven't because I didn't do it against the wishes of the girls in question, the whole point is that guys can't go "but she didn't struggle, but she didn't say no", that is complete ********. If you want to do it without asking, you better be sure you're right and they want it too. But if you do do it without asking and they didn't want it, don't afterwards go crying about how "she changed her mind" as so many even on this site do.

    You're attempt of trying to spin **** to catch me out or whatever, is pathetic.
    Come on this point about the fact that consent is hardly ever expressly stated is very valid. Unless the women says no thanks and moves away to stop a sexual move then it is not rape or harassment.

    Something is not rape or harassment simply because a women is angry 😠

    Many sexual moves are made both ways with one person active and one person passive.
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    (Original post by Airplanebee2)
    Come on this point about the fact that consent is hardly ever expressly stated is very valid. Unless the women says no thanks and moves away to stop a sexual move then it is not rape or harassment.

    Something is not rape or harassment simply because a women is angry 😠

    Many sexual moves are made both ways with one person active and one person passive.
    Dude, this isn't even coming from me (though I agree with it) but it's the law. The only problem of course is that it is so hard to prove.

    How many women are raped this way without saying no because they are scared saying no will lead to violence?
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    (Original post by yudothis)
    Dude, this isn't even coming from me (though I agree with it) but it's the law. The only problem of course is that it is so hard to prove.

    How many women are raped this way without saying no because they are scared saying no will lead to violence?
    Ah I agree, that’s coercion which is wrong. But I’m saying if there is no coercion.
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    (Original post by yudothis)
    I quite clearly mentioned a relationship because one would assume those two are much better st telling if someone wants you to kiss them.
    unless you can tell me you are a legally declared telepath so knew what your partner wanted without them giving their verbal consent then the fact of the matter is you still technically sexually assaulted them.

    If a man was in court for raping or sexually assaulting his girlfriend, and in court gave the excuse I did it because "I knew she wanted it" he'd have the book thrown at him

    And no you haven't because I didn't do it against the wishes of the girls in question, the whole point is that guys can't go "but she didn't struggle, but she didn't say no", that is complete ********. If you want to do it without asking, you better be sure you're right and they want it too. But if you do do it without asking and they didn't want it, don't afterwards go crying about how "she changed her mind" as so many even on this site do.
    again, without getting verbal consent. How do you know [at the time] you have not gone against the wishes of your other person? you CAN'T
    kissing them without verbal consent is based off reasonable assumption


    You're attempt of trying to spin **** to catch me out or whatever, is pathetic.
    you are quick to class something as sexual assault/rape for your own feminists agenda's by using the law, I just spun it back onto you ...to make you see how things aren't so black and white
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    (Original post by ANM775)
    you are quick to class something as sexual assault/rape for your own feminists agenda's by using the law, I just spun it back onto you ...to make you see how things aren't so black and white
    The feminist agenda wants to simply say this; if after the fact the woman says a sexual action was harassment / rape then it is so.

    Of course the feminist agenda will say this because the feminist agenda is famously bigoted against men. The feminist agenda regards all men as pigs who deserve the worst.

    Men need to use reasonable judgement and take reasonable care and law should judge whether reasonable judgement and care was used. That way someone can’t decide to file a rape claim after consensual sex, or claim harassment when there was genuine attraction not a wish to harass and a genuine belief that things were going down that road.

    What is not fair is if a man engages with a women with conversations and flirty behaviour and makes a small move and is then accused of harassment.

    It is simply going to happen sometimes that a man is engaging with a women in some way and makes a small move that is not desired. It’s going to happen sometimes even with the best care and intentions. That’s just a fact of life and women just need to deal with it and accept it. Everyone suffers inconveniences in life and women can’t think they can have their cake and eat it all the time in life. It’s just not right and not fair to think that. Part of the problem is that society has told some women that they can have their cake and eat it and too many men are eager to beat on men and do some men hating in this regard to show what good social justice warriors they are. Well not on my watch - and I’m not going to let you take away my rights as a man.

    It’s all to do with proportion like most things. I don’t think the Westminster crowd have got things in proposition. When people are going ape over some naughty texts for example - it says to me that they have lost the plot - which they clearly have.
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    Now that this debate has clarified the issues, I will go back to my original premise - to not bring men’s rights into the politics of sexual harassment - the fact that men could be accused of harassment for making a reasonable invitation with the correct level of care to a women because men are expected to make the first move - is oppression and prejudice towards men. This perspective is deliberately omitted from the political debate.

    And this oppression and prejudice is design into postmodern social theory as a kind of punishment for what it sees as “oppressor groups”. Of course the idea of the “Patriarchy” is rooted in feminism which is a subset of postmodern social theory. The immediate target of this is powerful men; this so called “Patriarchy”.

    These ideas are deeply rooted in the subconscious mind of society, what Carl Jung called “The Collective Unconscious”.
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    (Original post by Airplanebee2)
    Now that this debate has clarified the issues, I will go back to my original premise - to not bring men’s rights into the politics of sexual harassment - the fact that men could be accused of harassment for making a reasonable invitation with the correct level of care to a women because men are expected to make the first move - is oppression and prejudice towards men. This perspective is deliberately omitted from the political debate.
    Do you have any evidence that this has actually happened?
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    (Original post by Tiger Rag)
    Do you have any evidence that this has actually happened?
    Yes I would say the hand on the knee thing and naughty texts fall into this category - all that was required was a simple decline - but instead they were raised as harassment allegations/ suggestions. I am assuming that these fall into this category as opposed to intended harassment.

    It shows a real attitude on the part of those women that men are their slaves and mind readers who materialise actions only when women are thinking the same but to be sacrificed in a modern witch’s burning ceremony because we accidentally cases you minor inconveniences when we don’t read the women’s mind correctly. It’s common sense but You need to update your thinking in the political reality to reflect this because the political reality is run by political correctness which is bias.

    My perspective has now been very much articulated on Russia Today (of course not in most of our biased liberal / globalist media):

    https://www.rt.com/op-edge/409199-sexual-harassment-misconduct-flirtation/
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    (Original post by Tiger Rag)
    I really don't understand why this is so difficult for anyone to understand - if someone says no, it means no. It doesn't mean you just try carrying it on with them. IMO, if you do try and carry it on with someone, they do have every right to go to the police.


    Something occurred to me just now.

    I was viewing a video on pornhub, there is a girl lying on her bed half naked and a guy bursts into her room uninvited. He starts touching her breasts and her crotch area with his hands and tries to get her to have sex with him. The woman repeatedly but not sternly tells him to stop, and also "no". The man definitely heard her but still persists.

    eventually the woman changes her mind and they have sex.

    This sort of scenario is common AF in porn video's

    [obviously given the nature of the video's I cannot link to them]

    what sort of message do you think this is sending out to men, or young men?

    porn [which is pretty mainstream] depicts this sort of behavior by men as acceptable.

    whilst touching a woman like this against her will is wrong, if men are frequently being exposed to seeing stuff like this and it is normalised .. I can well see why some of them may be inclined take things a step too far and not back off

    perhaps some things in society need to change first before sexual assault incidences go down............
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    (Original post by ANM775)
    Something occurred to me just now.

    I was viewing a video on pornhub, there is a girl lying on her bed half naked and a guy bursts into her room uninvited. He starts touching her breasts and her crotch area with his hands and tries to get her to have sex with him. The woman repeatedly but not sternly tells him to stop, and also "no". The man definitely heard her but still persists.

    eventually the woman changes her mind and they have sex.

    This sort of scenario is common AF in porn video's

    [obviously given the nature of the video's I cannot link to them]

    what sort of message do you think this is sending out to men, or young men?

    porn [which is pretty mainstream] depicts this sort of behavior by men as acceptable.

    whilst touching a woman like this against her will is wrong, if men are frequently being exposed to seeing stuff like this and it is normalised .. I can well see why some of them may be inclined take things a step too far and not back off

    perhaps some things in society need to change first before sexual assault incidences go down............

    I live half my life in the office workplace and I don’t see a single but of evidence for this with my own eyes. I don’t think men see any relationship between the workplace and a pornographic script any more than watching The Terminator means bursting into the office with a sub-machine gun.

    There may be a biological imperative for some weaker males to force themselves on women but this is counterbalanced by social contract and the social contract and the need to cooperate. I never ever see any male / female interaction where both are not equally present.

    If a woman was to walk around showing openness to every suggestions of sex, like for example a prostitute or if a woman more a sign saying “slut - please have sex with me” -men tend to view that as something repulsive and contaminated. Biology and evolutionary theory will explain this (these are heretical systems to postmodernist who believe that every interpretation is equally valid and while evolution kills you off if you have the wrong interpretations and the belief that all groups are equal when genetics group variances are necessarily different). If a woman may be carrying someone else’s offspring then they are not biologically attractive.
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    (Original post by Airplanebee2)
    I live half my life in the office workplace and I don’t see a single but of evidence for this with my own eyes.


    I've never seen sexual assault in the workplace either, but apparently according to women it does goes on.......

    the only time I really remember a sexual assult was when some man was trying to chat up this 13 year old girl outside the kebab shop, after a while he kept trying to initiate a kiss with her but she didn't want it and kept backing off. tbh the way she was chatting with him it sounded like he might know her and not be just some random. She kept saying no several times but he kept trying, and she kept having to keep backing off and brush his hands away. eventually the girl and her friends and the man started walking up the hill. The man then said to the girl he wanted a goodby hug, the girl decided to give him one, but as they went to hug the man tricked the girl, grabbed her face and gave her a passionate kiss on the lips, the girl screemed at him to get off and after like a couple of seconds he did. Him and his mate walked away laughing, the girl and her friends then resumed their day like nothing had happened.

    That is the only sexual assault i've witnessed [I don't count playground antics as sexual assault]

    The man just wouldn't take no for an answer and after hearing it several times still continued ..and eventually forced himself on the girl.

    I'm not saying watching porn was a direct cause of his actions, but if he's watching it [and most men do from time to time], seeing women clearly say no, and seeing the guy persist ..and eventually get his way ...may have somewhat of an influence on his own conduct around the opposite sex..........

    Terminator is pure science fiction
    porn often is realistic fantasy

    there's a difference.
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    (Original post by ANM775)
    I've never seen sexual assault in the workplace either, but apparently according to women it does goes on.......
    Ah yes, the whole "I've never seen it, therefore, it doesn't exist". I've never know anyone to be racist to others. Does that mean the stats are lying? Of course it bloody doesn't.

    ]I'm not saying watching porn was a direct cause of his actions, but if he's watching it [and most men do from time to time], seeing women clearly say no, and seeing the guy persist ..and eventually get his way ...may have somewhat of an influence on his own conduct around the opposite sex..........

    Terminator is pure science fiction
    porn often is realistic fantasy

    there's a difference.
    You#re making excuses for his vile behaviour. How sick.
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    (Original post by Tiger Rag)
    Ah yes, the whole "I've never seen it, therefore, it doesn't exist". I've never know anyone to be racist to others. Does that mean the stats are lying? Of course it bloody doesn't.



    You#re making excuses for his vile behaviour. How sick.


    how am I making excuses for his behavior????

    an excuse would mean I justify his behavior. what part of that post do I justify his behavior

    I said it was sexual assault for gods sake
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    (Original post by Tiger Rag)
    Ah yes, the whole "I've never seen it, therefore, it doesn't exist". I've never know anyone to be racist to others. Does that mean the stats are lying? Of course it bloody doesn't.



    You#re making excuses for his vile behaviour. How sick.
    (Original post by ANM775)
    how am I making excuses for his behavior????

    an excuse would mean I justify his behavior. what part of that post do I justify his behavior

    I said it was sexual assault for gods sake


    You see a problem with some men in society being unable to take no for an answer, I then say that the way mainstream porn normalises this kind of behavior possibly needs addressing before you are to see any real improvements in sexual assaults ..and then give an example of a man being unable to take no for answer ......and this equates to me making "excuses" for him???

    no it does NOT

    for the record I thought the dude was well out of order

    had the girl looked in real distress or started calling for help i'd of probably got involved.
    but she didn't,she seemed annoyed, but i didn't get the impression she was scared/in distress
 
 
 
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