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      (Original post by Chaz254)
      The fact that socialism exists in the UK in 2017 is horrendous. ****ing Corbyn and his braindead followers 😂😂😂
      Socialism - or something similar to it - is the way forwards, if you don't want humanity to slowly stumble into a corporate dystopia, as it is currently doing so.

      What is so objectionable about socialism anyway? It merely says that the economy should be controlled by the state. It doesn't necessarily mean we all have to open our borders to the third world and behead everyone who earns too much money.
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      (Original post by Bornblue)
      No more so than the right wing press brainwashes and influences people on a daily basis.

      Of course academics and public sector workers tend to be more left wing. Largely because those on the right tend to chase the higher salaries in the corporate sector. Also the Tories hate the public sector. Why would public sector workers like them back?
      I'm a public sector worker backed Labour in 2015 but not 2017 I'd rather be out of a job then see Corbyn as PM
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      (Original post by FL Watch)
      I'm a public sector worker backed Labour in 2015 but not 2017 I'd rather be out of a job then see Corbyn as PM
      That's up to you.
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      (Original post by Bornblue)
      No more so than the right wing press brainwashes and influences people on a daily basis.

      Of course academics and public sector workers tend to be more left wing. Largely because those on the right tend to chase the higher salaries in the corporate sector. Also the Tories hate the public sector. Why would public sector workers like them back?
      The Independant and Guardian are left-wing rags that spew left-wing shite and also influence people on a daily basis.
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      (Original post by FriendlyPenguin)
      Socialism - or something similar to it - is the way forwards, if you don't want humanity to slowly stumble into a corporate dystopia, as it is currently doing so.

      What is so objectionable about socialism anyway? It merely says that the economy should be controlled by the state. It doesn't necessarily mean we all have to open our borders to the third world and behead everyone who earns too much money.
      Socialism means the economy goes to ****. The main benefit/theory of capitalism is that the economy should thrive, with little government intervention.

      Do you want a much worse economy?

      We are among the world's largest economies, why would you want to change that?
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      (Original post by Bornblue)
      That's up to you.
      It depends if you want a terrorist sympathiser in charge of the nation
      IRA lover
      Hamas Lover
      ISIS Lover

      I certainly dont want someone with that record prime minister
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      We always have been one of the biggest economies our left wing politicians are still quite right wing compared with countries like Venezuela and Cuba. Our influence secures us that position

      (Original post by Chaz254)
      Socialism means the economy goes to ****. The main benefit/theory of capitalism is that the economy should thrive, with little government intervention.

      Do you want a much worse economy?

      We are among the world's largest economies, why would you want to change that?
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      (Original post by Chaz254)
      The Independant and Guardian are left-wing rags that spew left-wing shite and also influence people on a daily basis.
      Nah
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      (Original post by FL Watch)
      It depends if you want a terrorist sympathiser in charge of the nation
      IRA lover
      Hamas Lover
      ISIS Lover

      I certainly dont want someone with that record prime minister
      I'm too tired to argue against that drivel.
      I don't believe any of those are true.

      I care about policies that affect me, like housing, cost of living and education.
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      (Original post by Bornblue)
      I'm too tired to argue against that drivel.
      I don't believe any of those are true.

      I care about policies that affect me, like housing, cost of living and education.
      Sooo, you want free stuff? Guess you want some from the Magic Money Tree of Socialism!!!
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      (Original post by Chaz254)
      Sooo, you want free stuff? Guess you want some from the Magic Money Tree of Socialism!!!
      No. I pay taxes.

      Magic money tree? Last I heard that was with the conservatives who majiced £1 billion for the DUP.
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      (Original post by Bornblue)
      No. I pay taxes.

      Magic money tree? Last I heard that was with the conservatives who majiced £1 billion for the DUP.
      And you use tax-funded services, like everyone else in the country.

      You can't just ask for cheaper housing because you pay taxes.
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      (Original post by Chaz254)
      And you use tax-funded services, like everyone else in the country.

      You can't just ask for cheaper housing because you pay taxes.
      Exactly, and there should be more tax and more tax funded services.

      I think we should be building housing, yes. Which pays for itself in the long run.

      Fiscal multipliers.
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      (Original post by FriendlyPenguin)
      Socialism - or something similar to it - is the way forwards, if you don't want humanity to slowly stumble into a corporate dystopia, as it is currently doing so.

      What is so objectionable about socialism anyway? It merely says that the economy should be controlled by the state. It doesn't necessarily mean we all have to open our borders to the third world and behead everyone who earns too much money.
      Five year plans, five year plans, would you trust any government to even organise a piss up in a brewery. They cut their teeth/learned how to run an enterprise where exactly?

      Some odd services yes are maybe better done centrally, but not the bulk; and politicians never do the day job, they are great at the vision, the promised land, but pretty inept at actual delivery.

      Example, Nicky Sturgeon owns an airport, a pretty poor one to be fair, what since she got it has she achieved with it; hee haw.

      And that, in a nutshell, is the flaw with socialism, lovely idea, just a shame you need to be competent to deliver the desired outcomes.
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      (Original post by DJKL)
      Five year plans, five year plans, would you trust any government to even organise a piss up in a brewery. They cut their teeth/learned how to run an enterprise where exactly?

      Some odd services yes are maybe better done centrally, but not the bulk; and politicians never do the day job, they are great at the vision, the promised land, but pretty inept at actual delivery.

      Example, Nicky Sturgeon owns an airport, a pretty poor one to be fair, what since she got it has she achieved with it; hee haw.

      And that, in a nutshell, is the flaw with socialism, lovely idea, just a shame you need to be competent to deliver the desired outcomes.
      For starters it's not politicians who run the services.

      I don't trust the private sector either tbh. Look at our train service or social care sector. Or energy sectors or gas services or even the water industry.

      Public ownership of key industries really is not a radical concept.

      The public sector is more than capable of producing a good service. The BBC for example regularly outperforms it's private sector competitors and makes a huge profit for the taxpayer. European publicly owned rail companies far outperform our private system.
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      (Original post by DJKL)
      Five year plans, five year plans, would you trust any government to even organise a piss up in a brewery. They cut their teeth/learned how to run an enterprise where exactly?

      Some odd services yes are maybe better done centrally, but not the bulk; and politicians never do the day job, they are great at the vision, the promised land, but pretty inept at actual delivery.

      Example, Nicky Sturgeon owns an airport, a pretty poor one to be fair, what since she got it has she achieved with it; hee haw.

      And that, in a nutshell, is the flaw with socialism, lovely idea, just a shame you need to be competent to deliver the desired outcomes.
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      Public ownership of key industries really is not a radical concept.
      For industries that are increasing socializing themselves and reverting to more and more of a command economy approach it makes perfect sense to take them under some form of public ownership. If we are going to have command economies we may as well exert democratic control over them as apposed to have them ran by private power blocks.

      https://www.jacobinmag.com/2017/10/f...-profit-market
      https://www.bloomberg.com/view/artic...roy-capitalism
      https://www.bloomberg.com/view/artic...unds-communist
      https://www.jacobinmag.com/2016/11/f...alism-planning
      https://www.wsj.com/articles/is-inde...ism-1479857852
      https://www.economist.com/blogs/free...ne-competition
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      (Original post by Bornblue)
      No. I pay taxes.

      Magic money tree? Last I heard that was with the conservatives who majiced £1 billion for the DUP.
      Money well spent.
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      These overlap a bit, of course, but I'd say:

      - Social Democrats
      - Liberal Meritocrats
      - Paternalist Meritocrats
      - Firm Lefties
      - Petty Reactionaries

      Can't really think of a sixth, though I haven't really got national separatism in there, I guess.
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      (Original post by Bornblue)
      For starters it's not politicians who run the services.

      I don't trust the private sector either tbh. Look at our train service or social care sector. Or energy sectors or gas services or even the water industry.

      Public ownership of key industries really is not a radical concept.

      The public sector is more than capable of producing a good service. The BBC for example regularly outperforms it's private sector competitors and makes a huge profit for the taxpayer. European publicly owned rail companies far outperform our private system.
      No, civil servants ( in effect) who are given strategic direction from politicians.

      And hardly a level playing field comparison between BBC and private sector, it has a large subsidy and has built up a vast back catalogue on the strength of that subsidy. (TV Licence)

      And you will note I did not discount some public ownership, there are area where it is the correct model, I agree with the idea re rail, roads, health, I can even get onboard with regional investment banks supplementing the private sector, but that is possibly as far as I would go down this road.

      But in the round politicians cannot execute, if you wait a bit ,we shall see how fantastic the SNP power company will be.

      May be a generation thing here, I recall at first hand the wonders of the 1970s with the state operating various entities, British Leyland, British Steel, Coal; where are they now.
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      (Original post by anarchism101)
      These overlap a bit, of course, but I'd say:

      - Social Democrats
      - Liberal Meritocrats
      - Paternalist Meritocrats
      - Firm Lefties
      - Petty Reactionaries

      Can't really think of a sixth, though I haven't really got national separatism in there, I guess.
      Interesting- I’d like to see these elaborated!
     
     
     
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