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    I mean the on-going carnage due to their gun laws?
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    Looking at this, American kids start of balanced and reasonable ... what happens?
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    America has a huge population.

    Like over 300 million people.

    If a mass murderer occurs at the rate of 0.00000001 : 1 then they are likely to have thirty people capable of such an act.

    If the UK has 65 million people, they are likely to have 10 people inclined for an act of violence that doesn't make sense.

    And we can recall recent events such as the Ariana Grande concert and the London Bridge attacks.

    Also America doesn't have a gun crime problem.

    Their murder rate is 4.88 per 100000. The UK is 0.92.

    You can say that America has a murder rate five times that of the UK.

    Or you can state that for every 100000 people, the murder rate is so close so as to be irrelevant.

    Also the murders in America are often related to street crime and gang crime. It doesn't really effect normal people.

    But when you hear of thousands of murders a year it sounds 'woah'. But you're not factoring population, population density and 'boys from the hood' in to that.

    You're relying on sensationalism.
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    Make 10 five and the equation works better.
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    (Original post by minhee)
    America has a huge population.

    Like over 300 million people.

    If a mass murderer occurs at the rate of 0.00000001 : 1 then they are likely to have thirty people capable of such an act.

    If the UK has 65 million people, they are likely to have 10 people inclined for an act of violence that doesn't make sense.

    And we can recall recent events such as the Ariana Grande concert and the London Bridge attacks.

    Also America doesn't have a gun crime problem.

    Their murder rate is 4.88 per 100000. The UK is 0.92.

    You can say that America has a murder rate five times that of the UK.

    Or you can state that for every 100000 people, the murder rate is so close so as to be irrelevant.

    Also the murders in America are often related to street crime and gang crime. It doesn't really effect normal people.

    But when you hear of thousands of murders a year it sounds 'woah'. But you're not factoring population, population density and 'boys from the hood' in to that.

    You're relying on sensationalism.
    because if it's just 'boys from the hood' it's not a problem and you can just ignore it :laugh:
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    (Original post by ChickenMadness)
    because if it's just 'boys from the hood' it's not a problem and you can just ignore it :laugh:
    It's not a gun issue. It's a business issue.

    Some street gangs like Bloods and Crips have 20000 or more members. Their business model is outside the law. If they need to pay wages to 'employees' and bills for themselves and feed their family, and to do that they sell a brick of cocaine, and someone doesn't pay, or someone deals on their turf and steals their business, they don't go to the cops, and they don't starve. They shoot someone.

    You're not factoring in all the variables.

    It's cause and effect. It's not a carnival shooting gallery.
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    Like why can you go to prison for fraud?

    You're not a danger to society, you don't need to be off the street.

    It's a deterrent.

    Like the threat of getting knee capped. If the threat wasn't followed through with, order would crumble.
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    (Original post by minhee)
    ...If a mass murderer occurs at the rate of 0.00000001 : 1 then they are likely to have thirty people capable of such an act.

    If the UK has 65 million people, they are likely to have 10 people inclined for an act of violence that doesn't make sense. ... Or you can state that for every 100000 people, the murder rate is so close so as to be irrelevant.
    These comments show no understanding ... you have to compare deliberate + accidental gun killing rates.

    Deliberate: The gun homicide rate in England and Wales is about one for every 1 million people, so 50 to 60 gun killings annually. In the USA, there are about 160 times as many gun homicides in a country that is roughly six times larger in population. 160 divided by 6 is about 25 times as many. The USA isn't much above others for non-gun rates, the difference is guns, see the graph about a third of the way down this page.


    Accidental: this report suggests higher than whatever the official figure is.



    (Original post by minhee)
    And we can recall recent events such as the Ariana Grande concert and the London Bridge attacks.
    Yes, because they are so rare, USA averages one-a-day.
    and the shattered families that they left ... now multiply that.


    (Original post by minhee)
    Also America doesn't have a gun crime problem.
    I see that the mind job I spoke of is evident.


    (Original post by minhee)
    Also the murders in America are often related to street crime and gang crime. It doesn't really effect normal people.
    Ther are plenty of mass shootings at schools outside "the hood" in otherwise "safe" environments. It only takes 1 kid to lose it ... in the UK they will get in fights and be expelled, in the US because of the availablilty of powerful guns in houses the result is death and carnage that takes years to heal (if it ever does).

    People will always "lose it" from time to time over many issues, you can't stop that. You can do what all similar societies have done and remove the availablility ... but the mind job means that people are deluded by silly slogans such as "guns don't kill people, people do".


    (Original post by minhee)
    You're relying on sensationalism.
    as I was saying ...
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    (Original post by NJA)
    These comments show no understanding ... you have to compare deliberate + accidental gun killing rates.

    Deliberate: The gun homicide rate in England and Wales is about one for every 1 million people, so 50 to 60 gun killings annually. In the USA, there are about 160 times as many gun homicides in a country that is roughly six times larger in population. 160 divided by 6 is about 25 times as many. The USA isn't much above others for non-gun rates, the difference is guns, see the graph about a third of the way down this page.


    Accidental: this report suggests higher than whatever the official figure is.





    Yes, because they are so rare, USA averages one-a-day.
    and the shattered families that they left ... now multiply that.




    I see that the mind job I spoke of is evident.




    Ther are plenty of mass shootings at schools outside "the hood" in otherwise "safe" environments. It only takes 1 kid to lose it ... in the UK they will get in fights and be expelled, in the US because of the availablilty of powerful guns in houses the result is death and carnage that takes years to heal (if it ever does).

    People will always "lose it" from time to time over many issues, you can't stop that. You can do what all similar societies have done and remove the availablility ... but the mind job means that people are deluded by silly slogans such as "guns don't kill people, people do".




    as I was saying ...
    You're relying on self conviction.

    Suicides and negligent homicides are not murders. Neither is justifiable homicide a murder.

    The only comparison is a dead body.

    You can try and convince yourself something other than this, but again, that would be self conviction and not based in reality.

    The homicide rate is the homicide rate. Death by gun is no different to death by cricket bat. You are still dead.

    There are not plenty of mass shootings. They are rare and infrequent. But if it happens once a year it sticks in your mind just due to the barbarity and senselessness of it.

    You are getting a mind job from sensationalism done to you.
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    If you want to use statistics to call a coworker shooting a mass shooting, again, you are misrepresenting facts.

    Call a mass shooting what it is, derobotize your reasoning ability, and only include things like Mandalay Bay, Dunblane and Columbine.

    Senseless mass murder. Specifically planned to maximise casualties.

    As someone smarter than me once said, "There are lies, damn lies, and statistics."
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    In Britain when a man has a row with mother-in-law worst case scenario is that he punches a bus-shelter or drives too fast and causes an accident.

    USA: 26 dead , 20 injured

    Why?

    Because when the red mist descends reason and self-control goes.

    America calls itself a "Christian" nation but Jesus said to pray "lead us not into temptation"
    . .. the availability of guns is too tempting for some people in a rage.
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    (Original post by minhee)
    America has a huge population.

    Like over 300 million people.

    If a mass murderer occurs at the rate of 0.00000001 : 1 then they are likely to have thirty people capable of such an act.

    If the UK has 65 million people, they are likely to have 10 people inclined for an act of violence that doesn't make sense.

    And we can recall recent events such as the Ariana Grande concert and the London Bridge attacks.

    Also America doesn't have a gun crime problem.

    Their murder rate is 4.88 per 100000. The UK is 0.92.

    You can say that America has a murder rate five times that of the UK.

    Or you can state that for every 100000 people, the murder rate is so close so as to be irrelevant.

    Also the murders in America are often related to street crime and gang crime. It doesn't really effect normal people.

    But when you hear of thousands of murders a year it sounds 'woah'. But you're not factoring population, population density and 'boys from the hood' in to that.

    You're relying on sensationalism.
    But thats quite a distortion there.
    The US has a homicide by firearm rate of 3.6
    The UKs is 0.06
    Which equates to c 60 times the rate or many many more times.


    Murder rate so close to be irrelevant? not for the people who are murdered?
    The firearms laws were radically changed in the UK due to two incidents, so it doesnt take many mass shooting to affect the entire national psyche. Not irrelevant at all.
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    (Original post by minhee)
    If you want to use statistics to call a coworker shooting a mass shooting, again, you are misrepresenting facts.

    Call a mass shooting what it is, derobotize your reasoning ability, and only include things like Mandalay Bay, Dunblane and Columbine.

    Senseless mass murder. Specifically planned to maximise casualties.

    As someone smarter than me once said, "There are lies, damn lies, and statistics."
    Theres no reason a co worker shooting isnt a mass shooting. People die.
    What sort fo co worker mass shootings isnt murder?
    What sort of mass murder isnt senseless?
 
 
 
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