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    (Original post by VirgoStrain)
    Which is why I’m primarily assuming either the interview or entrance test were the reason for the rejection.
    Yeah I mean from this thread it seems obvious that op has a pretty arrogant attitude, claiming they have failed by not getting into cambridge. Honestly while they probably do see relevant extra curricular actives as a positive in some ways, it could also show that they care more about getting into uni than the thing they want to study. Like the only real motivation to do work experience in relevant subject area at a very low level, is to have good stuff to put on your reference. Guess I'm lucky that it's almost impossible to find physics work experience XD.
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    My teacher told me that sometimes one student will get into Oxbridge over another, and you will think to yourself "How? The student who didn't get in had better grades, a better personal statement, a stronger reference and good subject knowledge. However Oxbridge are very good at judging who will fit in and perform well with the different teaching methods they use. Now I think about it the student with the stronger application probably was not best suited to the course. They wouldn't have worked well in supervisions and would not enjoy the Oxbridge lifestyle. " That was what my teacher told me and she advised me that it wasn't all down to grades but it was about who could learn the best at an Oxbridge style education.
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    (Original post by Tian1Sky)
    I strongly doubt anyone has ever been rejected for being too perfect.
    Having a standardized system would make it hard for Cambridge to take an applicant's school and background into account, putting those who went to less good schools at an even greater disadvantage.
    Sadly, I must say you are wrong.

    My information comes from knowing someone who has personally experienced this. A good friend in the year above me attained 11A* GCSE, AAAA @ AS, was predicted (and achieved) A*A*A*. They applied for law at Cambridge, and had no weakness in their application. They requested feedback and there was almost no fault at all, the only negative Cambridge said was that 'There were better suited candidates to the Cambridge course'. Her AA was strong, the only thing that *may* have let her down was the interview. So academically she was perfect, this is my point when I say Cambridge doesn't want the finished article, they want people rough around the edges.

    The only other reason could have been that they were white and went to a private school, but I don't want to bring out that excuse.

    Promoting standardisation doesn't mean you can't use contextual data, it just means things like the interview and personal statement, which are subjective, don't have to be as heavily relied upon. That's why poor, state schooled, black students in the US still have disproportionally better chances than anyone else of being admitted into Ivy-league schools, and other colleges of that ilk.
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    Getting into Oxbridge requires some luck - OP might just have been unlucky for not getting in. But what surprises me is that OP picked an AAA uni as his second choice which I think he could be more ambitious. With these grades OP could pick Imperial instead (likely to get in as well) which is the second best to Cambridge.
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    (Original post by AryanGh)
    That's why I'd take a gap year after getting such grades, since you know that you're set academically, you now must set out to impress Unis with other factors, e.g Experience etc, by the time you apply in Jan/Oct etc, you will have covered all the stops.
    is that your plan big man
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    (Original post by thewinelake)
    I'd suggest that you ask "the college", not "Cambridge"...
    Good point
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    If you are studying mechanical engineering then the top 4 universities in the UK are Oxbridge, Imperial and Leeds according to the good university guide. All of these offer A*AA.

    Which university are you at?
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    (Original post by GovernmentEarner)
    Sadly, I must say you are wrong.

    My information comes from knowing someone who has personally experienced this. A good friend in the year above me attained 11A* GCSE, AAAA @ AS, was predicted (and achieved) A*A*A*. They applied for law at Cambridge, and had no weakness in their application. They requested feedback and there was almost no fault at all, the only negative Cambridge said was that 'There were better suited candidates to the Cambridge course'. Her AA was strong, the only thing that *may* have let her down was the interview. So academically she was perfect, this is my point when I say Cambridge doesn't want the finished article, they want people rough around the edges.

    The only other reason could have been that they were white and went to a private school, but I don't want to bring out that excuse.

    Promoting standardisation doesn't mean you can't use contextual data, it just means things like the interview and personal statement, which are subjective, don't have to be as heavily relied upon. That's why poor, state schooled, black students in the US still have disproportionally better chances than anyone else of being admitted into Ivy-league schools, and other colleges of that ilk.

    The actual reason why your friend was rejected is that there were applicants who the admissions people considered to be better for the course, not because they were the finished article. Certainly, Cambridge accepts many people who are rough around the edges (after all, nobody is perfect), but it also accepts plenty who really do seem to be academically perfect. The interview is an important part of the admissions process. I obviously don’t know what happened in her interview, but it’s entirely possible that that was what made them reject her.

    Basically, no, that’s not Cambridge policy. Maybe it feels like it sometimes, but it isn’t.

    Cambridge doesn’t select based on race. People do not get rejected for being white. As for private school, a candidate’s educational background is a factor taken into account, but it’s certainly not the case that candidates get rejected just for being from a private school.

    In my understanding, the reason why black students in the US do well in admissions is not so much because of the way in which they are judged but because of the standard they are judged against.

    I think increased standardization in Oxbridge admissions would make it harder for the admissions people to use contextual data. The interview is important in Oxbridge admissions because it is designed to reflect the way in which teaching occurs at those universities, making it a useful way to predict if a candidate is going to do well there. Because of the interview, the personal statement becomes less important anyway.
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    (Original post by Anonymous)
    For teamwork I ran a physics club at school, sports as mentioned above, I organised school events with headboy + prefects.

    There isn't even a point anymore. Lost hope.
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    (Original post by GovernmentEarner)
    Sadly, I must say you are wrong.

    My information comes from knowing someone who has personally experienced this. A good friend in the year above me attained 11A* GCSE, AAAA @ AS, was predicted (and achieved) A*A*A*. They applied for law at Cambridge, and had no weakness in their application. They requested feedback and there was almost no fault at all, the only negative Cambridge said was that 'There were better suited candidates to the Cambridge course'. Her AA was strong, the only thing that *may* have let her down was the interview. So academically she was perfect, this is my point when I say Cambridge doesn't want the finished article, they want people rough around the edges.

    The only other reason could have been that they were white and went to a private school, but I don't want to bring out that excuse.

    Promoting standardisation doesn't mean you can't use contextual data, it just means things like the interview and personal statement, which are subjective, don't have to be as heavily relied upon. That's why poor, state schooled, black students in the US still have disproportionally better chances than anyone else of being admitted into Ivy-league schools, and other colleges of that ilk.
    I think you're right about finished articles in a sense. Who wants to teach someone who knows it all already?!

    Do you know her UMS at AS? A's are not of themselves sufficient... However, it's very likely that interview was where it went wrong.

    Of course someone with the same grades/UMS from a less privileged background (and I suppose there's still a link between race and privilege) would generally be considered a brighter candidate - pushy parents and private education do make it easier to get top marks.
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    I suspect this was the first time OP has 'failed' at something, and realising that he isn't the best at everything he does can be a painful lesson to learn. But that's life, it's been a year now and OP needs to stop complaining and concentrate on the job in hand. No point looking backwards.
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    (Original post by Anonymous)
    Everyone Advised against it. School. Parents. ( and brother who too has gone Cambridge)

    If they where not going to take me then, they would not have taken me now.
    I suspect the answer to the OP's question is here,

    What his weakness is, it was obvious to those around him. Reapplying to Cambridge is relatively common. He clearly went to a very good school. No-one regarded it s a travesty when he didn't get in. No-one said "one more heave".
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    (Original post by LsDad)
    Hi Anonymous,

    Sorry but I'm going to give it you straight as I can't believe what I'm reading here:-

    First off, Cambridge doesn't owe you a placement, they had set criteria that year, loads of candidates to choose from. It's possible they could of made a mistake but more likely that other candidates came over better than you, that year at interview, so you didn't lose the opportunity it was just someone else came over better - that's life.

    Another year, different competition and it might of been a different outcome. you didn't get in, now get over it. Dust yourself down and make the best of where you are now. A whole world awaits, work at it.

    Secondly, and You won't like me for saying this one jot, but your replies stink of arrogance, I think you have had people blowing smoke up your ass telling you how great you are for so long that you are believing in your own self importance. Based on how you are acting now indicates to me that Cambridge actually made the right call not selecting you because unless things go your way, you struggle to adapt!

    You have a great opportunity in front of you. Forget the other students attitudes to the Course. It's what YOU make if it that counts. don't waste that opportunity whinging that you should be somewhere else and thinking you are better than everyone else and shouldn't be there. If you waste what you have then you are being an idiot!

    Sorry my post is harsh, but you need a wake up call - Carpee Diem
    Agree with you 100%
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    My interviews went well and they went fine.
    To be fair, you don't actually know that. It's very common for the interviewee and interviewers to have rather different impressions of how the interview "went". There's very little correlation between how a candidate thinks their interview went and the outcome of getting an actual Offer.

    And I note you later imply your ENGAA was poor.

    So that's 2 possible areas of weakness in Cambridge's view.

    What did your College feedback actually say?

    Yet despite all of this I failed. Meanwhile 2 Students from my school got lower grades and managed to get in to the same course and lower UMS. How does that make any sense?
    You haven't failed. You just didn't get an offer from Cambridge. That's not failing.

    As others have said, you can transfer to a different university (not Cambridge, they don't normally accept transfers). See the info here - it's usually not difficult. And, if you *really* want to go to Cambridge apply for an MPhil once you have your BEng under your belt with strong 2:1+. Plus maybe taking a year out for work experience between the BEng and MPhil. That will strengthen your CV.

    Also to the question about re-applying to Cambridge (angelike1), that's not practical now (you've missed the deadline) but certainly re-applicants with (or ideally exceeding) the required grades typically do better than first time applicants. There's no stats afaik, but the ATs have confirmed it on here. This would assume you can improve any identified areas of weakness, of course.

    Anyway, you haven't failed, you're just on a different path from what you originally expected. That's life. Doesn't mean you can't be a very successful engineer.
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    I'm a prefect
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    Were those two students ethnic minorities by any chance?
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    (Original post by Anonymous)
    A year into my course now (Mechanical engineering) and I am so appalled with myself.

    I managed to get 97 UMS average across Maths and Further maths aswell as acing Physics and Economics. Got the highest grades in my school and high A*s etc.

    My PS was full of work experience, My references where extremely good, even my Ucas advisor while reading it told me it's the best she has read in the last 10 years.

    My interviews went well and they went fine.

    Yet despite all this I was rejected from Cambridge. I am now at a University which has entry requirements of AAA (second best for my course) and everyone here is unambitious, just mess about and party everyday.

    I honestly hate myself. I did everything I could. Everything.

    What more could I do? I have the grades, the PS, the reference..just everything.

    Yet despite all of this I failed. Meanwhile 2 Students from my school got lower grades and managed to get in to the same course and lower UMS. How does that make any sense?

    Which universities did you apply to?
    Which ones gave you an offer?

    Do you aim to study MSc? If yes, then just get good grades in BSc and then you will have a very good chance of getting into a better university from what I have seen and heard. For MSc, getting the offer is not very hard (even for Imperial and...), but achieving the grade will be hard.

    Do you happen to be in UCL? Guessing since it has AAA requirement for Mechanical Engineering as well. If yes, then don't be worried at all, UCL is a great university, no doubt.

    Also, are you from UK/Europe or are you an international applicant? Universities have quotas for international students they can pick (from what I have heard), so if you were an international applicant, then it makes a more sense since competition gets worse.

    PM me if you want more help.
 
 
 
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