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    Because you have literally no right to tell people what they can and can't do. That's why. Someone being LGBTQ+ doesn't harm you in any way whatsoever therefore whether someone is or isn't LGBTQ+ has literally nothing to do with you. It isn't much to ask just for people like yourself to be decent human beings and simply accept people are different. Asking "why aren't more people homophobic" is like asking "why aren't more people racist." The answer being that people these days are tolerant and don't feel the need to be an ******* to others for no real reason.
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    (Original post by VMD100)
    Why aren't people homophobic? Because homosexuality is a natural behaviour. Don't think for a second it is just humans that show these traits, it is well documented in many other species from penguins down to intestinal tapeworms. Most of these animals lack the conscious thinking ability we have but still behave that way - in many ways both disproving the "its a choice" argument and that it is in someway a "perversion"


    There's a massive flaw in that argument....

    All i'm gonna say is that you're lucky that I don't really care what two guys get upto behind closed doors ...as if I was on the homophobes side I would shoot this down in flames ...lol
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    (Original post by RoyalBeams)
    Well, that is a point going at a tangent.

    The related point is that there is virtually no religious issues/agenda on majority of my TV shows/soap operas but their is loads of homosexuality issues/agenda.

    Now considering the population of religious people being far larger (by large multiples) than the population of homosexuals/LGBT people, so which of these two would you really say is being "shoved down my throat"?
    Hi. I'd like to argue that the absence of specific religious representation on television and the presence of same-sex representation actually have a consistent explanation that doesn't lead to the conclusion of the shoving and all.
    The lack of religion in the media, as you claim, is perhaps a strategy mindful of the diversity of religions present in the population. Thus the aim is to level the population and make it equal. Without showing religion on TV, there is no preference for one religion over another. I believe this thinking applies to same-sex couples in the media; to show both heterosexuality and homosexuality aims to achieve equality across the population, most of whom are heterosexual, some of whom are heterosexual, most of whom are romantic, all of whom are humans.

    I'd also like to answer the question of the thread. Personally, I'm not homophobic because I find it takes an awful lot of my energy to hate any person or object or idea. I prefer to use my energy to be kind. Honestly, it feels good to be kind. Unrelated to the topic at hand, recently I haven't been as kind as I could be, so thank you for helping me realise that.
    As for why people in general are not homophobic, there is similarly as sense of not caring either way about someone's sexual orientation. There's far more to gain from evaluating ourselves then evaluating others based on far less information.

    You have a right to voice your opinion, whatever that opinion is, even if that opinion is unpopular. An opinion has to be heard to be agreed or disagreed with. There are many people don't support homosexuality and do not talk about it, that's fine, I won't lambast(e?) them for their opinion. I will however be open to conversing with them on the topic if they are also open. Their opinion might change as a result; my opinion might change as a result. The beauty of opinions is that they are flexible and can be changed in light of new information, based on a new way of thinking, perhaps on a whim at random.

    Honestly though, I think the main reason is that life actually is pretty short. I don't want to waste so much of it on negativity. DFTBA.

    There may be tangents in my argument along the way, I've just now looked back to see how long this comment is, and it has swerved between answering one person and answering another and answering nobody in particular, but I hope you look at my comment as a whole.
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    Because I rise above that, man. I refuse to let those gays get me down with their being attracted to who they happen to be attracted to, and such.
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    (Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
    Fortunately, science doesn't really care about your laughably wrong opinions. Facts are that WPATH standards of care decrease gender dysphoria and improve mental health (thats' five different links by the way). And, since I know you're just itching to demonstrate you've not read beyond headlines and parrot the "40% of trans people attempt suicide" claim, be aware where that number comes from and how limited the methodology is.
    Well, my friend, saying transitioning "decreases gender dysphoria" and "improves mental health" is really not proof it is "the most effective treatment".

    So now you realise you don't even know what I am about to say, din't ya?

    I am sure University of Birmingham can be said to be quite good at research, ain't they?

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/...h.mentalhealth
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    (Original post by Robby2312)
    So no actual argument then.
    I am really not very good with helping people indulge in their irrelevant arguments.
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    (Original post by Robby2312)
    You know whats delusional? Talking to a being that nobody has ever seen or heard, or touched. Talking to people that nobody else can see is the very definition of madness.Religious people should take a look at themselves before throwing stones.By most definitions they could be considered mentally ill.
    This is the problem with people who are poor at debates.

    How did you link him or his statements to religion?
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    "Some people are gay get over it "
    Care about yourself, your issues , your values etc if the lives of others upset u then just forget about it.
    Humans are only like any other animals we only exist to survive. One day we are all gonna be dead and our petty 'intelligence' will be no more.

    U don't have to support lgbt or anything just don't hate anyone since the only person really getting upset is u.

    Life goes past so fast so just live it and who cares what u or others think about life .
    So just live and have fun / be happy - if u want - it's not my life it's yours
    Think what u think
    Do what u do
    If it doesn't matter in a year from now then screw it

    Ranting random crap is fun

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    (Original post by myrapickton)
    Hi. I'd like to argue that the absence of specific religious representation on television and the presence of same-sex representation actually have a consistent explanation that doesn't lead to the conclusion of the shoving and all.
    The lack of religion in the media, as you claim, is perhaps a strategy mindful of the diversity of religions present in the population. Thus the aim is to level the population and make it equal. Without showing religion on TV, there is no preference for one religion over another. I believe this thinking applies to same-sex couples in the media; to show both heterosexuality and homosexuality aims to achieve equality across the population, most of whom are heterosexual, some of whom are heterosexual, most of whom are romantic, all of whom are humans.
    I think this is a weak speculation of why religious people are on TV.

    First of all, I don't believe that is the reason why the gatekeepers of TV (liberals) are not putting religion on TV.

    Secondly, there are main religions in the UK and in the world, where it has not been a problem to reflect them in TV before.

    Thirdly, Christianity is the primary religion of the UK and I think all other religions know that and accept that.

    Religion is not shown on TV because majority of the gatekeepers are not religious and are not fans. That is really not a problem. The problem is when they claim they put so much homosexuality on TV because it is a real reflection of society.

    Religiousity is more prominent in society than homosexuality, so it shows the fraudulence in their argument of trying "to reflect society in moving image productions". No, they just have an agenda to force LGBT issues down the public's throat.

    (Original post by myrapickton)
    I'd also like to answer the question of the thread. Personally, I'm not homophobic because I find it takes an awful lot of my energy to hate any person or object or idea. I prefer to use my energy to be kind. Honestly, it feels good to be kind. Unrelated to the topic at hand, recently I haven't been as kind as I could be, so thank you for helping me realise that.
    As for why people in general are not homophobic, there is similarly as sense of not caring either way about someone's sexual orientation. There's far more to gain from evaluating ourselves then evaluating others based on far less information.

    You have a right to voice your opinion, whatever that opinion is, even if that opinion is unpopular. An opinion has to be heard to be agreed or disagreed with. There are many people don't support homosexuality and do not talk about it, that's fine, I won't lambast(e?) them for their opinion. I will however be open to conversing with them on the topic if they are also open. Their opinion might change as a result; my opinion might change as a result. The beauty of opinions is that they are flexible and can be changed in light of new information, based on a new way of thinking, perhaps on a whim at random.

    Honestly though, I think the main reason is that life actually is pretty short. I don't want to waste so much of it on negativity. DFTBA.

    There may be tangents in my argument along the way, I've just now looked back to see how long this comment is, and it has swerved between answering one person and answering another and answering nobody in particular, but I hope you look at my comment as a whole.
    The rest was brilliant, mate. You don't have to worry too much about how long it is if you are giving a good argument.
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    I️ think one of the biggest problems is that anyone that doesn’t completely agree with the extreme leftism of the LGBT community is automatically labeled homophobic. Which is not right. I’m making an assumption here but i’m guessing you don’t go out of your way to ruin the lives of people who claim they’re LGBT, you have every right not to have to support them. “Homophobe” is a term that is used unjustly by the community and much too often.
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    (Original post by RoyalBeams)
    Well, my friend, saying transitioning "decreases gender dysphoria" and "improves mental health" is really not proof it is "the most effective treatment".

    So now you realise you don't even know what I am about to say, din't ya?

    I am sure University of Birmingham can be said to be quite good at research, ain't they?

    https://www.theguardian.com/society/...h.mentalhealth
    Eh, what are the other treatments? The unjustifiable torture masquerading as conversion therapy, which has a track record of making things worse?

    What you've linked is pretty massively outdated. The body of research is clear, current procedures improve mental health in trans people.
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    (Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
    Eh, what are the other treatments? The unjustifiable torture masquerading as conversion therapy, which has a track record of making things worse?
    Electing another treatment to discredit is not proof that transitioning is "the most effective treatment".

    And I know you will struggle with comprehending that statement because you are knee-deep in your own dogma.

    (Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
    What you've linked is pretty massively outdated. The body of research is clear, current procedures improve mental health in trans people.
    Can you show me the proof that it is outdated and by whom/which body?

    Or the edict to outdate it came from you? I am assuming here that you are world-renowned expert on this.
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    (Original post by Texxers)
    Honestly, I don't see why people actually support the LGBT community. I don't see why it's so frowned upon for me to express my opinions on this issue. Just wanted to see what other TSR members thought of it..

    And no I don't hide myself under Anon ever when it comes to controversial topics.
    I'm not going to argue the morals of this, but legally, freedom from hatred trumps freedom of speech in this area. It's a bit of a grey area really but the socially acceptable view is that hate speech is wrong to the point where silencing it is ok.
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    (Original post by RoyalBeams)
    Electing another treatment to discredit is not proof that transitioning is "the most effective treatment".
    Eh, if there's a couple of "treatments", and one is nothing more than torture that straight up doesn't work, then the other is going to be the most effective by default. Still, it's better than "most effective by default", transitioning is an incredibly effective treatment - as I've already shown you.

    Can you show me the proof that it is outdated and by whom/which body?

    (Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
    Fortunately, science doesn't really care about your laughably wrong opinions. Facts are that WPATH standards of care decrease gender dysphoria and improve mental health (thats' five different links by the way). And, since I know you're just itching to demonstrate you've not read beyond headlines and parrot the "40% of trans people attempt suicide" claim, be aware where that number comes from and how limited the methodology is.
    Try actually reading the links provided and trying to learn something this time.
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    Honestly, it's totally fine to find it not appealing or disgusting in a sexual way. Like I doubt a homosexal is going to look at straight porn and say "yeah, this is nice."


    The issue occurs when you actively attack them for the way they're born, try to make them straight or treat them as inferior or unnatural. And honestly, I would argue the whole thing of "homosexuality is being shoved down my throat" is relatively petty considering there are more gays being thrown out of their family/imprisoned/killed etc for not being straight than vise versa.
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    (Original post by oliviaminor)
    I️ think one of the biggest problems is that anyone that doesn’t completely agree with the extreme leftism of the LGBT community is automatically labeled homophobic. Which is not right. I’m making an assumption here but i’m guessing you don’t go out of your way to ruin the lives of people who claim they’re LGBT, you have every right not to have to support them. “Homophobe” is a term that is used unjustly by the community and much too often.
    Incredibly, some SJWs still want to deny that their is no homosexual agenda in the UK despite all the blatant evidence.

    Another ongoing one is the desperation of UK media to find, persuade and get homosexual footballers to come out. Why is that an obsession of the likes of BBC if not to strengthen the homosexual agenda?

    Everytime someone comes out as an homosexual, the Western media, Entertainment industry and Hollywood all of a sudden do their best to make the person a star and more prominent in public.

    I knew once Sam Smith announced he was a homosexual, he was certainly going to win the Grammies he was nominated for. Ed Sheeran had no chance that year, even though many felt he deserved some grammies.

    Same with Frank Ocean, he comes out as a homosexual, and awards fall in including grammies.

    If someones else says something regarded as not supportive of homosexuality in Hollywood or Entrertainment, their career would go into limbo, or in suspension at best.

    And someone still refutes there is an agenda.
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    (Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
    Eh, if there's a couple of "treatments", and one is nothing more than torture that straight up doesn't work, then the other is going to be the most effective by default. Still, it's better than "most effective by default", transitioning is an incredibly effective treatment - as I've already shown you.
    Even when the other does not work too?

    Even when research has not been conclusive?

    40% (if I remember correctly) fail rate is not really regarded as "effective", you know?

    (Original post by Stiff Little Fingers)
    Try actually reading the links provided and trying to learn something this time.
    Roflmao!

    You need to start understanding scientific research.

    If a team does research and says it finds evidence that chocolate is bad for your health.

    Then a few years later, another team does research and says it finds evidence chocolate is good for your health, that is not proof that the second team is right and the work of the first is outdated.

    And definitely the second team would not even claim that.

    So, sorry, you have not proved to me it is outdated. You just proved to me that you are not that knowledgeable about research and from your layman's view, you came up with a wrong opinion.
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    (Original post by Future-Barista)
    Honestly, it's totally fine to find it not appealing or disgusting in a sexual way. Like I doubt a homosexal is going to look at straight porn and say "yeah, this is nice."


    The issue occurs when you actively attack them for the way they're born, try to make them straight or treat them as inferior or unnatural. And honestly, I would argue the whole thing of "homosexuality is being shoved down my throat" is relatively petty considering there are more gays being thrown out of their family/imprisoned/killed etc for not being straight than vise versa.
    You are right.

    I bet a vast majority of those in support of homosexuality can't bare watching homosexual porn. Many of the ones I have spoken to in real life actually admit they can't even watch the kissing but are adamant they support all homosexual rights. They are entitled to these disparities but it does come across as an oxymoron.

    So I am shocked when one poster earlier said that disgust to homosexual activity is taught and not natural.
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    (Original post by RoyalBeams)
    Even when the other does not work too?

    Even when research has not been conclusive?

    40% (if I remember correctly) fail rate is not really regarded as "effective", you know?
    There's not a 40% failure rate so...


    Roflmao!

    You need to start understanding scientific research.
    Think you meant to quote yourself there.


    If a team does research and says it finds evidence that chocolate is bad for your health.

    Then a few years later, another team does research and says it finds evidence chocolate is good for your health, that is not proof that the second team is right and the work of the first is outdated.

    And definitely the second team would not even claim that.

    So, sorry, you have not proved to me it is outdated.
    Except that's not remotely comparable - this is a case of a decades worth of research showing that transitioning works, and given health care is constantly progressing, modern research, particularly when it is so conclusive, definitely overturns old research on more primitive care.

    You just proved to me that you are not that knowledgeable about research and from your layman's view, you came up with a wrong opinion.
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    (Original post by RoyalBeams)
    This is the problem with people who are poor at debates.

    How did you link him or his statements to religion?
    In general its the religious who are most homophobic and anti-gay.I was merely pointing out the irony of religious people calling gay/transgender people mentally ill when that's actually a very apt description of themselves.Of course he might not be religious but I still thought it was worth pointing out.
 
 
 
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