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    MXX - Motion of No Confidence in the Government
    Proposed by: Rt Hon CoffeeGeek MP (Con)
    Seconded by: Hon Wilhuff Tarkin MP (Con), Hon Saunders16 MP (Liber), Rt Hon joecphilips (Liber), Hon hazzer1998 MP (Green)

    That this House has no confidence in Her Majesty’s Government for these reasons:

    1) Contrary to convention, the coalition agreement was negotiated and voted on in the middle of the term.
    2) Three by-elections have been triggered by Government parties consecutively. Two of those seats belonged to members of the Cabinet including the Chancellor. The lack of rigour seems to suggest a lack of competence.
    3) It’s obvious to one that if a Government can’t get their members to vote it's no surprise that their collective output is puny. There’s been few bills since it’s formation, no Budget, no SoIs from the Great Offices of State, mainly statements responding to motions, probably to look active. But quite counterproductively, it does not achieve this. Despite being a majority Government, it seems to be a difficult task to pass a bill as there is already an example of defeat because their members can’t be bothered to turn up to a vote.
    4) The previous minority government of LabSoc was more active than this Government and in contrast to the Opposition they are simply not on par.
    5) Not a very innovative Government. Either relying on few members or a motion submitted by Opposition parties to bring some output.

    Though members of the Government themselves might disagree with this motion, they will find it difficult to refute the compelling points outlined above. Even they have their doubts about whether this Government is functioning how it should be. It's a severe injustice for this to be allowed to continue and it's abundantly clear that a fresh, competent and innovative administration is required for the greater good of the country.


    As per the guidance document this motion will be on the floor of the House for three days before being sent to division unless a request not to do so is made.

    3) This will automatically start a 3 day discussion where both sides get to argue their points; the Speaker will start a thread and post the reasons for the motion of no confidence being called.
    4) After the 3 day discussion a 4 day poll will be opened in the Division Lobby so that all MPs can have a vote. The poll will be a private poll only showing the results when it has ended.
    5) If the result of the poll is in favour of the motion of no confidence then a period of 7 days shall be allowed for other parties to form a new government (using all the usual regulations for it).
    6) If the result of the poll does not favour the motion of no confidence then usual business will resume in the House of Commons.
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    Some people haven't been thinking too hard given all this would lead to is the removal of the socs or libs from the government given there is no realistic alternative that can even beat lab soc...why am I not surprised by the names on it given the lack of thought and lack of a case made.
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    Today, we are embarking upon a new opportunity for a Government of consensus, proficiency and diligence. There is a strong and present feeling that this Government is failing its duty and has lost confidence of many people in this House. Previous Governments have been more active, and even though the Budget of the last Government did not pass. We have heard absolutely nothing from the Great Offices of State in terms of SoIs and bill output seems to be concentrated from one party, whilst the other coalition partners want to eat the fish but don’t want to get their paws wet… many members of Government will come here defending it rightfully and as they should. But deep down, they know the truth. They know that this Government is stifling from inactivity and lacklustre. They know that this Government has failed to retain its majority and trigger three consecutive by-elections… this is undoubtedly not a record to be proud of. They know that this Government is still facing an uphill road ahead, despite the term coming to a close where one would think the Government would find it easy.

    If you concur with the points outlined in this motion and believe there needs to be change now. I kindly ask of you to consider supporting this motion.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Some people haven't been thinking too hard given all this would lead to is the removal of the socs or libs from the government given there is no realistic alternative that can even beat lab soc...why am I not surprised by the names on it given the lack of thought and lack of a case made.
    There are indeed alternatives to this Government, you just need to think harder

    There's not a lack of thought or a lack of case. The points made are totally valid reasons for why there should be a change in this Government now.
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    (Original post by CoffeeGeek)
    There are indeed alternatives to this Government, you just need to think harder

    There's not a lack of thought or a lack of case. The points made are totally valid reasons for why there should be a change in this Government now.
    Either you need to somehow get the liberals to work with ukip or us to work with you, or the socialists to work with people that understand economics.

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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Either you need to somehow get the liberals to work with ukip or us to work with you, or the socialists to work with people that understand economics.

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    You're getting there! Well done!
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Some people haven't been thinking too hard given all this would lead to is the removal of the socs or libs from the government given there is no realistic alternative that can even beat lab soc...why am I not surprised by the names on it given the lack of thought and lack of a case made.
    I've got to completely agree with you here. The bitter disagreements between the Tories and the Libbers recently have been on public display, and now they expect us to believe they could form an alternative Government even if they had the numbers.

    As for the points on the actual MoNC, let's address them.

    1) I have no idea what convention you're on about. The only previous formal agreement any Government has had was between the Liberals and Tories two parliaments ago that I negotiated, and at that time the extent of it was completely abnormal. There was already an agreement between the current Governing parties, one that decided cabinet positions.The Liberals wanting to negotiate policy halfway through the term isn't grounds for a MoNC.

    2) A couple of MPs losing seats isn't grounds for a MoNC. It may help you pass one, but it isn't grounds for one. I don't see Theresa May resigning as Prime Minister when one of her MPs resigns and triggers a by-election.

    3) There has been a Statement from a Great Office of State, several SOIs from different departments and the budget is nearing completion. I notice none of the members seconding have led a Government Party whilst a budget is being written - these things take time. If you want details on the budget, I'm sure the Chancellor Conceited can provide them. As for legislative output, over the last few weeks our bill output has improved hugely, as can currently be seen in the Division Lobby.

    4) The last Government really wasn't more active than this one, especially at this stage in the term.

    5) Not a very innovative Government is an extremely weak argument. Government's shouldn't lose their right to govern because they aren't creative or have a few chief legislators. That's utter horse shite.

    NAY!
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    (Original post by CoffeeGeek)
    Today, we are embarking upon a new opportunity for a Government of consensus, proficiency and diligence. There is a strong and present feeling that this Government is failing its duty and has lost confidence of many people in this House. Previous Governments have been more active, and even though the Budget of the last Government did not pass. We have heard absolutely nothing from the Great Offices of State in terms of SoIs and bill output seems to be concentrated from one party, whilst the other coalition partners want to eat the fish but don’t want to get their paws wet… many members of Government will come here defending it rightfully and as they should. But deep down, they know the truth. They know that this Government is stifling from inactivity and lacklustre. They know that this Government has failed to retain its majority and trigger three consecutive by-elections… this is undoubtedly not a record to be proud of. They know that this Government is still facing an uphill road ahead, despite the term coming to a close where one would think the Government would find it easy.

    If you concur with the points outlined in this motion and believe there needs to be change now. I kindly ask of you to consider supporting this motion.
    "A Government of Consensus"

    Judging from the last by-election, the Libbers and Tories can't provide that
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    (Original post by CoffeeGeek)
    There are indeed alternatives to this Government, you just need to think harder

    There's not a lack of thought or a lack of case. The points made are totally valid reasons for why there should be a change in this Government now.
    I rate you for this motion CG. Was actually thinking of a monc. You beat me to it.
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    No, the first point raised in this MoNC are not points supporting a vote of no confidence because there is nothing stating coalition should finalise negotiations before forming the government. And given that a Labour-Liberal coalition would be bigger than the other coalitions proposed, there is no other coalition to replace this government, the outcome of this MoNC would be an early election.
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    I hear this isn't even constitutional with not all seconders having agreed, I thought Rakas was confirming seconders? Was this because of the proposer, simple laziness, or !ere inconsistency?

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    (Original post by CoffeeGeek)
    Today, we are embarking upon a new opportunity for a Government of consensus, proficiency and diligence. There is a strong and present feeling that this Government is failing its duty and has lost confidence of many people in this House. Previous Governments have been more active, and even though the Budget of the last Government did not pass. We have heard absolutely nothing from the Great Offices of State in terms of SoIs and bill output seems to be concentrated from one party, whilst the other coalition partners want to eat the fish but don’t want to get their paws wet… many members of Government will come here defending it rightfully and as they should. But deep down, they know the truth. They know that this Government is stifling from inactivity and lacklustre. They know that this Government has failed to retain its majority and trigger three consecutive by-elections… this is undoubtedly not a record to be proud of. They know that this Government is still facing an uphill road ahead, despite the term coming to a close where one would think the Government would find it easy.

    If you concur with the points outlined in this motion and believe there needs to be change now. I kindly ask of you to consider supporting this motion.
    This motion seems to be past its sell by date. I pointed out earlier that this government has passed a law withing the last week, currently has two bills in the lobby and another bill on the go. We also have bills almost completed in out subforum. If this government is a tool for helping bring debate to this house then it is achieving that objective. You have claimed that this seems to only be coming from one party, and I am glad to hear that we have managed to have a big influence on this government of late, however all government bills are the product of all parties of government and would not be possiable without the activities of members of all parties involved.

    This motion seems out of date. Had it come but a month earlier it may have had a point, as I understand it. Now, it seems like a pointlness and unnecessary distraction to detract from the remaining time this government has to impliment the policies it was elected to deliver.
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    (Original post by DayneD89)
    This motion seems to be past its sell by date. I pointed out earlier that this government has passed a law withing the last week, currently has two bills in the lobby and another bill on the go. We also have bills almost completed in out subforum. If this government is a tool for helping bring debate to this house then it is achieving that objective. You have claimed that this seems to only be coming from one party, and I am glad to hear that we have managed to have a big influence on this government of late, however all government bills are the product of all parties of government and would not be possiable without the activities of members of all parties involved.

    This motion seems out of date. Had it come but a month earlier it may have had a point, as I understand it. Now, it seems like a pointlness and unnecessary distraction to detract from the remaining time this government has to impliment the policies it was elected to deliver.
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    Aye down with the government! :mob:
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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    I've got to completely agree with you here. The bitter disagreements between the Tories and the Libbers recently have been on public display, and now they expect us to believe they could form an alternative Government even if they had the numbers.
    Although the show hasn't been beautiful we are constantly working on our relations between the Libbers.

    As for the points on the actual MoNC, let's address them.

    1) I have no idea what convention you're on about. The only previous formal agreement any Government has had was between the Liberals and Tories two parliaments ago that I negotiated, and at that time the extent of it was completely abnormal. There was already an agreement between the current Governing parties, one that decided cabinet positions.The Liberals wanting to negotiate policy halfway through the term isn't grounds for a MoNC.
    If they didn't have one for LabSoc then perhaps I'm mistaken on that point but halfway through the term isn't exactly convenient or timely.

    2) A couple of MPs losing seats isn't grounds for a MoNC. It may help you pass one, but it isn't grounds for one. I don't see Theresa May resigning as Prime Minister when one of her MPs resigns and triggers a by-election.
    I think it definitely is grounds for a MoNC if the Government isn't able to turn up to a vote in the lobby because their members are lazy. Triggering three consecutive by-elections is not something to be proud of and it is even more of an embarrassment when it's from cabinet members.

    3) There has been a Statement from a Great Office of State, several SOIs from different departments and the budget is nearing completion. I notice none of the members seconding have led a Government Party whilst a budget is being written - these things take time. If you want details on the budget, I'm sure the Chancellor Conceited can provide them. As for legislative output, over the last few weeks our bill output has improved hugely, as can currently be seen in the Division Lobby.
    I was careful with the wording for this reason. The motion never says that there were no statements from the Great Offices of State. It says that there were no Statements of Intent from the Great Offices of State, which is quite different. SoIs have been small in number and we haven't seen many recently. We shouldn't have to wait when the term is nearing an end to be able to know what the Government's economic agenda is. Of course they take time but it shouldn't take this long to produce an economic agenda should it?

    Why should we have to wait so long for bill output to start picking up? And why does it always seem to be from the same members and party?

    4) The last Government really wasn't more active than this one, especially at this stage in the term.
    They were more active, especially at the start where in comparison this Government was not. They even managed to produce a Budget, near the end of the term. What's the point in producing economic agenda towards the end of the term when it doesn't really matter?

    5) Not a very innovative Government is an extremely weak argument. Government's shouldn't lose their right to govern because they aren't creative or have a few chief legislators. That's utter horse shite.
    If you read the whole point it was actually pointing out how this Government relies on a small number of members and Opposition parties to produce motions to create some output.

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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    "A Government of Consensus"

    Judging from the last by-election, the Libbers and Tories can't provide that
    Don't act like that's the only alternative to this Government.
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    How does one go about joining the MHoC?
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    The passage of this motion would require a number of liberals to backatab the government, when those most likely to conspire to do so are opposing this it suggests that the proposers failed to do the very first thing on the "should be launch a monc" list: count the votes.



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    1) The coalition agreement is none of anyone outside the government's business. The unity of the coalition is not in any danger, nor are relations between the parties any less cordial as a result of the coalition agreement initially being informal.

    2) There have been issues with voting. I cannot speak for whipping procedures beyond my own party because I have no idea what they are. From a Labour perspective however I would be grateful if the parties proposing this could each name the 18 members to whom they would give an MP seat were they to end up with that number, and I'll see how many I know and recognise as active members.

    3) I would direct members to AtG for the latest news on the Budget and the format it will take. As regards SoIs from the Great Offices, there have been as many as there were the last time the Conservatives led the government. It's a bizarre complaint to make given how rare they are anyway: there have only been five in MHoC history (assuming the Wikia is correct – two being from before the era of formal SoIs). The last one from a right-leaning government came in 2012. I will accept that there have been portfolio areas where I had hoped to go further than we have, and indeed areas where I hope we will go further in the remainder of the term, hence my intention to bring in new faces.

    4) The opposition parties have spent most of the term fighting each other. Far from using government seat losses to show a united front or position themselves as an alternative government, they've used by-elections to snipe at each other. I won't be taking lessons about being 'on par' from them.

    5) The previous Foreign Secretary made a number of statements in response to various topical issues overseas. That is one of the primary responsibilities of a Foreign Secretary in an online government that cannot do actual diplomacy. Whilst there have been ministers that have not really performed as hoped, this is a problem I am in the process of addressing. I don't believe that other governments have not however relied on the ideas of a reasonably small number of people.
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    I wont sit here and say I agree with the socialists and labour policy, because honestly I dont. But I have agreed with all the bills produced so far, and agree with an excellent budget which is on its way. For that reason this motion will not have my support.

    And for god sake it look like you cobbled this together at 17:55, 5 minutes before the deadline.
 
 
 
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