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    (Original post by CoffeeGeek)
    Don't think you can speak when you couldn't be arsed to turn up to a vote, causing the socialists to lose a seat. And now you've run off to Labour. Never thought I should say this but perhaps you owe an apology to your Socialist friends for messing it up for them?
    Cran has absolutely nothing to apologise for and his original point still stands, it falls under the poorly executed nature of this motion.
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    (Original post by Conceited)
    Cran has absolutely nothing to apologise for and his original point still stands, it falls under the poorly executed nature of this motion.
    So he holds no responsibility for his own seat? Right.

    There are valid points in this but I guess you'll just paint it all in one colour and say it's "poor". It's not perfect (especially since it's my first) but it has validity.
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    (Original post by CoffeeGeek)
    So he holds no responsibility for his own seat? Right.

    There are valid points in this but I guess you'll just paint it all in one colour and say it's "poor". It's not perfect (especially since it's my first) but it has validity.
    You didn't even bother reading the constitution before making a lost of statements and failing to make a coherent argument why each of those things is a big deal.

    Found the error yet that makes the motion non binding?

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    (Original post by CoffeeGeek)
    Don't think you can speak when you couldn't be arsed to turn up to a vote, causing the socialists to lose a seat. And now you've run off to Labour. Never thought I should say this but perhaps you owe an apology to your Socialist friends for messing it up for them?
    Jeez, did I hit a nerve? Calm down:lol:

    The difference between me and you is that I am, rightly given my voting situation, not currently proposing an MoNC on the grounds of incompetence.
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    I urge the Prime minister to call a early general election, there is no point in prolonging this term any further.
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    (Original post by Scisaac)
    How does one go about joining the MHoC?
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    At this point, would it not be easier for the government to go for an early election?
    That aside, the arguments CG laid seem valid enough but it isn’t my place to comment on the logistics of things.
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    Although a snap election would be preferable, since it appears Saracen's Fez will not be taking that option I am tempted to vote aye.

    This government has seemingly done nothing this term and for an outsider looking in appears to be a case of “too many cooks spoil the broth” by forming common cause between communists and a party with a large portion of economic liberals in it, Labour has created gridlock that is causing its own MPs to lose interest which has triggered all these by elections by spreading to the coalition partners too.

    As I said, snap election is preferable but if it comes to it I will be voting in favour of this to try and get a Conservative-Libertarian alliance that would at least be motivated to govern for the remainder of the term.
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    (Original post by TheDefiniteArticle)
    I don't exactly see how the opposition parties claim there is a credible alternative at the moment. I will concede we haven't been the most active government, but contrary to previous less active governments, that reflects a higher standard. Point to one item this term which, independent of policy, hasn't been well-conceived by the government.
    Perhaps I've missed it but I believe we're still missing a ‘high standard’ budget from you. Another term is about to end but there doesn't seem to be anything so far.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Mr Speaker, even if we ignore that seconders were added without their consent this motion is also unconstitutional, or at the very least would not remove the current government.
    Given the names involved i was 95% sure that they would have. I have however dispatched a message and will withdraw the motion should they not wish to back it. I can only ask that the House forgive me for my attempt at initiative.

    There's nothing unconstitutional about this motion. If the motion passes it will begin a period of coalition negotiations at which point there's no requirement for the government to maintain the same structure, there's no requirement that all parties in the House can't technically form a cross-House coalition to make somebody PM to call an election the day they take office.. essentially the fact that the same outcome is potentially the most likely outcome does not really matter in this context. That would be like arguing that a MoNC can not be called unless victory is guaranteed.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Given the names involved i was 95% sure that they would have. I have however dispatched a message and will withdraw the motion should they not wish to back it. I can only ask that the House forgive me for my attempt at initiative.

    There's nothing unconstitutional about this motion. If the motion passes it will begin a period of coalition negotiations at which point there's no requirement for the government to maintain the same structure, there's no requirement that all parties in the House can't technically form a cross-House coalition to make somebody PM to call an election the day they take office.. essentially the fact that the same outcome is potentially the most likely outcome does not really matter in this context. That would be like arguing that a MoNC can not be called unless victory is guaranteed.
    The Constitution states an MoNC against the government should take a form that includes certain words, this MoNC does not meet that form meaning the Constitution is not being followed: it is one of the pedantic unconstitutionalities being raised.
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    (Original post by Connor27)
    Although a snap election would be preferable, since it appears Saracen's Fez will not be taking that option I am tempted to vote aye.

    This government has seemingly done nothing this term and for an outsider looking in appears to be a case of “too many cooks spoil the broth” by forming common cause between communists and a party with a large portion of economic liberals in it, Labour has created gridlock that is causing its own MPs to lose interest which has triggered all these by elections by spreading to the coalition partners too.

    As I said, snap election is preferable but if it comes to it I will be voting in favour of this to try and get a Conservative-Libertarian alliance that would at least be motivated to govern for the remainder of the term.
    If this MoNC passes, Labour-Liberal will just form...

    This Conservative-Libertarian alliance you want is numerically impossible
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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    If this MoNC passes, Labour-Liberal will just form...

    This Conservative-Libertarian alliance you want is numerically impossible
    Tbf I'd take the socs being booted.
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    (Original post by _gcx)
    Tbf I'd take the socs being booted.
    There's no point though? The policy in our budget is already set, as is most of the policy for the rest of the term. Booting the socialists changes very little if anything at all
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    The insults thrown around here really are quite pathetic, Lets have an actual debate on the MoNC.

    I second this VoNC for two main reasons. Legislation output and the by-election situation. First of all this government has caused 3 by-elections this term becuase their MPs are not bothering to spend less than 5 minutes each day reading the updates and pressing a few buttons to vote. hence the recent by-elections. It's the responsibility of the party leadership to check that MPs are voting and to remind them to vote, It's clear this is not happening.

    Secondly Legislation output is poor and should be better of a government of this calibre. there is no budget and the statement of intents from the great offices have not be submitted, with the term nearing ending this is frankly shocking of a government.

    I'm Afraid it's an Aye from me.
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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    If this MoNC passes, Labour-Liberal will just form...

    This Conservative-Libertarian alliance you want is numerically impossible
    It would also collapse within a week after one party accused the other of lying or being too demanding or something and threw all its toys out of the pram.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Given the names involved i was 95% sure that they would have. I have however dispatched a message and will withdraw the motion should they not wish to back it. I can only ask that the House forgive me for my attempt at initiative.

    There's nothing unconstitutional about this motion. If the motion passes it will begin a period of coalition negotiations at which point there's no requirement for the government to maintain the same structure, there's no requirement that all parties in the House can't technically form a cross-House coalition to make somebody PM to call an election the day they take office.. essentially the fact that the same outcome is potentially the most likely outcome does not really matter in this context. That would be like arguing that a MoNC can not be called unless victory is guaranteed.
    Mr Speaker, I suggest you read the Constitution if you think there is nothing wrong with this motion.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Mr Speaker, I suggest you read the Constitution if you think there is nothing wrong with this motion.
    Ive looked at it several times and still dont see what you are getting at :confused:
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    (Original post by DayneD89)
    Ive looked at it several times and still dont see what you are getting at :confused:
    Pay attention to every word and piece of punctuation rather than just the ones you expect to be there then.
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    Pay attention to every word and piece of punctuation rather than just the ones you expect to be there then.
    The only thhing that i can spor is that it misses the word 'that' which is hardly important.
 
 
 
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