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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    So had it remained under the green name and green logo but merely had an ideological shift, as it did months ago, there would be no issue? Sounds like you're trying to find any reason possible to get a threat shut down.
    No, that should be stopped as well, though for different reasons primerily. That would be false advertising to the electorate who expect parties with the same name as RL parties to have some similarities to theire policies or ideology.

    Im not against competition. Firstly because it seems youll be competing more with the tories than us. Secondly because as an ex-speaker I have become accustomed to putting the needs of the house before considering how they will effect the party i am a part of at the time. Lastly because as i have said multiple times, if this party wants to form as a new party i do not see any reason that should be stopped. It either has the required 10 members set by convention or at least has active enough members for there to be no worries about it being active. All it would have to show is that it can offer something new to the house. It hasnt done that yet, but im sure that it has an area it feels it can fill or it wouldnt be trying to form.
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    I am convinced that this should hold no place in the house: this party is led by someone who does not agree with the ideas it espouses, its members have depleted in past months and years and its few remaining members other than those responsible for the re-branding will have no place in the party anymore. Furthermore, it holds no position on the political spectrum that is not already covered (from left-to-right: Socialists, Labour, Liberals, Conservatives, Libertarians, UKIP) by overlapping with the Liberals and holds no niche (which was previously Green politics) that warrants its existence.
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    (Original post by DayneD89)
    I would second this. If the Green party ceases to be, and if the members of that party want to create this new party then I have no issue with that, but this is too significant a change to be considered a rebranding of the existing Green party.
    I second this statement and must say I'm surprised this was approved given the obvious ulterior motive and the members involved. Another party is being set up without adhering to the spirit of the MHoC law and I do not welcome this, especially given how the last one turned out.

    There isn't even a set of new policies, just a name and a hard-UKIP leader of a dead party…
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    No economic or social policies at all. Just a new name and logo. Don't know why this was approved and I hope Rakas21 will make a statement justifying this approval.
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    (Original post by CoffeeGeek)
    No economic or social policies at all. Just a new name and logo. Don't know why this was approved and I hope Rakas21 will make a statement justifying this approval.
    Rakas said to me in ATS that he would be
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    (Original post by Hazzer1998)
    We are centre, socially liberal party with polices that represent the best of the left and the right wing.
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    the democrats, a new radical centrist alternative for the house
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    This party lasted for about 12 hours.
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    Hey Liberta… erm… Democrats! How does it feel to be the ultimate laughing stock of the MHoC? A nice addition to your morally repugnant cheating filth title!
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    (Original post by Life_peer)
    Hey Liberta… erm… Democrats! How does it feel to be the ultimate laughing stock of the MHoC? A nice addition to your morally repugnant cheating filth title!
    You like to mention the libertarians yet only 1 of the 3 members involved in the democrats was actually ever in the libers yet 2 have been tories
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    You like to mention the libertarians yet only 1 of the 3 members involved in the democrats was actually ever in the libers yet 2 have been tories
    I mean, it makes much more sense to just join a party and stay in it. Or, be independent and stay indie. I find it odd that the members who usually question my party allegiance can't stay in a party long enough for me to question theirs.
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    (Original post by 04MR17)
    I mean, it makes much more sense to just join a party and stay in it. Or, be independent and stay indie. I find it odd that the members who usually question my party allegiance can't stay in a party long enough for me to question theirs.
    Being a dual member is relatively common in the house, to be fair. In recent times we have seen both Ray and Saoirse do so.
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    (Original post by 04MR17)
    I mean, it makes much more sense to just join a party and stay in it. Or, be independent and stay indie. I find it odd that the members who usually question my party allegiance can't stay in a party long enough for me to question theirs.
    Everyone knew I wasn’t a green but they needed help and I tried to give it to them
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    (Original post by Saunders16)
    Being a dual member is relatively common in the house, to be fair. In recent times we have seen both Ray and Saoirse do so.
    I was more referring to people leaving one party and joining another.
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    Everyone knew I wasn’t a green but they needed help and I tried to give it to them
    So, by your logic, as long as everyone knows that you don't actually agree with their ideology, it's fine to join a party that you politically oppose?
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    (Original post by 04MR17)
    So, by your logic, as long as everyone knows that you don't actually agree with their ideology, it's fine to join a party that you politically oppose?
    If a party needs help it’s ok to help them and the greens needed help that’s why I joined and produced a few bills and motions for them and tried to stimulate debate
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    If a party needs help it’s ok to help them and the greens needed help that’s why I joined and produced a few bills and motions for them and tried to stimulate debate
    :congrats:
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    (Original post by joecphillips)
    If a party needs help it’s ok to help them and the greens needed help that’s why I joined and produced a few bills and motions for them and tried to stimulate debate
    This only works if you adopt the new party's policies and values. Unlike ByronicHero (who set his own opinions aside and focused on making new parties active), whenever you and Hazzer join a new party under the guise of helping it, you make no attempt to alter your political views - you do the opposite. People who can't be trusted to remain neutral shouldn't be allowed to 'help' (infiltrate) other parties.
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    (Original post by DayneD89)
    No, that should be stopped as well, though for different reasons primerily. That would be false advertising to the electorate who expect parties with the same name as RL parties to have some similarities to theire policies or ideology.

    Im not against competition. Firstly because it seems youll be competing more with the tories than us. Secondly because as an ex-speaker I have become accustomed to putting the needs of the house before considering how they will effect the party i am a part of at the time. Lastly because as i have said multiple times, if this party wants to form as a new party i do not see any reason that should be stopped. It either has the required 10 members set by convention or at least has active enough members for there to be no worries about it being active. All it would have to show is that it can offer something new to the house. It hasnt done that yet, but im sure that it has an area it feels it can fill or it wouldnt be trying to form.
    If being intentionally deceptive is grounds to be shut down there would be no MHoC
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    (Original post by Jammy Duel)
    If being intentionally deceptive is grounds to be shut down there would be no MHoC
    Being deliberately deceptive to the electorate is. For example, running a party called TSR UKIP as a party committed to communist ideals should be stopped by the speaker.
 
 
 
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