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    (Original post by DayneD89)
    Being deliberately deceptive to the electorate is. For example, running a party called TSR UKIP as a party committed to communist ideals should be stopped by the speaker.
    ...or making a dupe called 'Lib Dem Party' and running in the GE as an independent in a deliberate attempt to fool and mislead Liberal Party voters? :hmmmm2:

    Anyway, back to my retirement home on the Costa del Sol.

    Glad this silly plot has been foiled. Good riddance.
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    (Original post by Snufkin)
    This only works if you adopt the new party's policies and values. Unlike ByronicHero (who set his own opinions aside and focused on making new parties active), whenever you and Hazzer join a new party under the guise of helping it, you make no attempt to alter your political views - you do the opposite. People who can't be trusted to remain neutral shouldn't be allowed to 'help' (infiltrate) other parties.
    The bills and motions I made for the Green Party were in line with their policies, if you believe that I didn’t do what I said point me to the non-green bills I have to them, I remained myself and tried to help them out and I left when I thought I couldn’t help on both occasions I was in the party.
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    (Original post by 04MR17)
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    It's not the first time that people have tried to 'save' parties. Back in summer 2014 for example the Kippers were very close to death (indeed there were unconfirmed reports that they'd passed the 30 day mark) and back then some Tories basically wanted the Kippers and Libertarians eradicated however Bun and Qwertish (leader and deputy at the time) decided to save the parties and so Bun was despatched to save the Kippers which he did before Adam and a few months later Nige came along (there was some kind of argument with Bun resulting in him coming back to the Tories but i forget what that was).

    A less extreme example was towards the end of the 16th parliament when the Socialists were completely dominating Labour in terms of activity. I believe it was decided that Saource would become a duel member to aid them and then went on to become leader (i believe initially that Source would not even commit to giving up duel membership with the socialists).

    Times were funner back then. We still had scandals and gamesmanship but it was all less sinister (though being on the winning side of events mostly, i may have a rose tinted prespective).

    (Original post by DayneD89)
    Being deliberately deceptive to the electorate is. For example, running a party called TSR UKIP as a party committed to communist ideals should be stopped by the speaker.
    Did'nt Paddy run a pretty left wing Ukip around your time in the House (i know that pre-Toronto tory-kipper relations were extremely poor and they were considered lefties by the party when i joined).
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    It's not the first time that people have tried to 'save' parties. Back in summer 2014 for example the Kippers were very close to death (indeed there were unconfirmed reports that they'd passed the 30 day mark) and back then some Tories basically wanted the Kippers and Libertarians eradicated however Bun and Qwertish (leader and deputy at the time) decided to save the parties and so Bun was despatched to save the Kippers which he did before Adam and a few months later Nige came along (there was some kind of argument with Bun resulting in him coming back to the Tories but i forget what that was).

    A less extreme example was towards the end of the 16th parliament when the Socialists were completely dominating Labour in terms of activity. I believe it was decided that Saource would become a duel member to aid them and then went on to become leader (i believe initially that Source would not even commit to giving up duel membership with the socialists).

    Times were funner back then. We still had scandals and gamesmanship but it was all less sinister (though being on the winning side of events mostly, i may have a rose tinted prespective).
    I was just sarcastically applauding what looked like noble intentions from joe.
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    (Original post by 04MR17)
    I was just sarcastically applauding what looked like noble intentions from joe.
    Ah. Well like any pensioner (within the context of the game) i like telling stories even when people don't want to hear.

    Now you'll damned well sit down and listen to my thoughts on the history of Green-Liberal relations young whippersnapper.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Now you'll damned well sit down and listen to my thoughts on the history of Green-Liberal relations young whippersnapper.
    Green-Liberal relations is much more my thing.:love:

    And less of the young thank you.:shakecane: I may not be daniel_williams but I've been round the MHoC block a couple of times, just quieter earlier on.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    It's not the first time that people have tried to 'save' parties. Back in summer 2014 for example the Kippers were very close to death (indeed there were unconfirmed reports that they'd passed the 30 day mark) and back then some Tories basically wanted the Kippers and Libertarians eradicated however Bun and Qwertish (leader and deputy at the time) decided to save the parties and so Bun was despatched to save the Kippers which he did before Adam and a few months later Nige came along (there was some kind of argument with Bun resulting in him coming back to the Tories but i forget what that was).

    A less extreme example was towards the end of the 16th parliament when the Socialists were completely dominating Labour in terms of activity. I believe it was decided that Saource would become a duel member to aid them and then went on to become leader (i believe initially that Source would not even commit to giving up duel membership with the socialists).

    Times were funner back then. We still had scandals and gamesmanship but it was all less sinister (though being on the winning side of events mostly, i may have a rose tinted prespective).



    Did'nt Paddy run a pretty left wing Ukip around your time in the House (i know that pre-Toronto tory-kipper relations were extremely poor and they were considered lefties by the party when i joined).
    You're like a Mhoc encolypedia aren't you
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Did'nt Paddy run a pretty left wing Ukip around your time in the House (i know that pre-Toronto tory-kipper relations were extremely poor and they were considered lefties by the party when i joined).
    Well here is the manifesto they ran under during the only GE Paddy oversaw:

    Manifesto



    UKIP
    The pragmatic party with Britain's best interests at its heart!

    TSR UKIP has consistently shown itself to be the most active party in the House, delivering on its election pledges as follows:

    • A referendum on European Union membership.

    • Attempts to reform the judicial system to the benefit of the victim, not the criminal.

    • Working on strike laws to prevent unions bringing this country to a halt.

    We have achieved the above thanks to the hard work of all of our members and MPs. We rely once again on your support and pledge the following in this new term of the HOC.

    • Reduction of the deficit by £74.9 billion over the next four years, mainly through cutting non-essential budgets, raising only VAT and maintaining the banking levy.

    • Attempted withdrawal from the EU.

    • Development of stronger ties with emerging economies.

    • Stopping aid to any strong economy and redirecting this to local projects in recipient countries rather than their governments.

    • Looser controls over teachers to free them from paperwork and allow them to get on with the job of teaching.

    • Increase of the defence budget to support our troops overseas with proper equipment.

    • Cutting of benefits to those who can work, but refuse to do so.

    • Deportation of those who incite hatred in the UK.

    • Tougher prison sentences to act as a deterrent along with a 'back into work scheme' to initiate people back into society.




    Vote UKIP today!



    And bills while he led the party:



    The later ones of those were doring the UKIP-liber-tory coalition government. As you can see, he did not steer UKIP away from where it would be considered to be for most outsiders, with prehaps a little less crazy being the only difference. Perhaps during that coalition some of Paddys real belifes spilled out more and thats why he was not liked? He's definately not right wing, but he was playing a role.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    It's not the first time that people have tried to 'save' parties. Back in summer 2014 for example the Kippers were very close to death (indeed there were unconfirmed reports that they'd passed the 30 day mark) and back then some Tories basically wanted the Kippers and Libertarians eradicated however Bun and Qwertish (leader and deputy at the time) decided to save the parties and so Bun was despatched to save the Kippers which he did before Adam and a few months later Nige came along (there was some kind of argument with Bun resulting in him coming back to the Tories but i forget what that was).

    A less extreme example was towards the end of the 16th parliament when the Socialists were completely dominating Labour in terms of activity. I believe it was decided that Saource would become a duel member to aid them and then went on to become leader (i believe initially that Source would not even commit to giving up duel membership with the socialists).

    Times were funner back then. We still had scandals and gamesmanship but it was all less sinister (though being on the winning side of events mostly, i may have a rose tinted prespective).



    Did'nt Paddy run a pretty left wing Ukip around your time in the House (i know that pre-Toronto tory-kipper relations were extremely poor and they were considered lefties by the party when i joined).
    We were pretty centre left back when I was Deputy Leader too. But then I had just gone from being the prime minister of the liberals near straight into being with UKIP.
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    (Original post by Afcwimbledon2)
    We were pretty centre left back when I was Deputy Leader too. But then I had just gone from being the prime minister of the liberals near straight into being with UKIP.
    Why did you make that initial jump?
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    (Original post by 04MR17)
    Green-Liberal relations is much more my thing.:love:

    And less of the young thank you.:shakecane: I may not be daniel_williams but I've been round the MHoC block a couple of times, just quieter earlier on.
    Most of us are young compared to him
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Why did you make that initial jump?
    Felt like I needed a change post my failure to get re-elected as leader. Moving left wasn't an option and I'd burned my bridges with the Tories
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    It's not the first time that people have tried to 'save' parties. Back in summer 2014 for example the Kippers were very close to death (indeed there were unconfirmed reports that they'd passed the 30 day mark) and back then some Tories basically wanted the Kippers and Libertarians eradicated however Bun and Qwertish (leader and deputy at the time) decided to save the parties and so Bun was despatched to save the Kippers which he did before Adam and a few months later Nige came along (there was some kind of argument with Bun resulting in him coming back to the Tories but i forget what that was).

    A less extreme example was towards the end of the 16th parliament when the Socialists were completely dominating Labour in terms of activity. I believe it was decided that Saource would become a duel member to aid them and then went on to become leader (i believe initially that Source would not even commit to giving up duel membership with the socialists).

    Times were funner back then. We still had scandals and gamesmanship but it was all less sinister (though being on the winning side of events mostly, i may have a rose tinted prespective).



    Did'nt Paddy run a pretty left wing Ukip around your time in the House (i know that pre-Toronto tory-kipper relations were extremely poor and they were considered lefties by the party when i joined).
    Labour was poor (by the standards of the time - this place was generally more active then), but never anywhere close to being shut down. They were in coalition with the Socs and ended up using Socialists to fill their seats since they didn't have enough active members. The Speaker at the time stopped that, so myself and many others simply joined up as dual members to carry on as "Labour" MPs. An amendment was then passed that made this unnecessary and most of the Socs promptly left again - I stayed around as my views were genuinely mellowing from full-on Marxism to a more mainstream left position.
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    (Original post by Saoirse:3)
    Labour was poor (by the standards of the time - this place was generally more active then), but never anywhere close to being shut down. They were in coalition with the Socs and ended up using Socialists to fill their seats since they didn't have enough active members. The Speaker at the time stopped that, so myself and many others simply joined up as dual members to carry on as "Labour" MPs. An amendment was then passed that made this unnecessary and most of the Socs promptly left again - I stayed around as my views were genuinely mellowing from full-on Marxism to a more mainstream left position.
    Yeah. I remember leading the charge against A83 but that was the term Adzzter screwed the Tory vote share so the right as a whole was abnormally weak electorally. I retain my opposition to A83.

    Not sure a majority of people support abolishing seat sharing but i do think the House has moved towards me on that issue. I remember fighting for voting reviews initially whereas now the amendments tend to strengthen the process.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Yeah. I remember leading the charge against A83 but that was the term Adzzter screwed the Tory vote share so the right as a whole was abnormally weak electorally. I retain my opposition to A83.

    Not sure a majority of people support abolishing seat sharing but i do think the House has moved towards me on that issue. I remember fighting for voting reviews initially whereas now the amendments tend to strengthen the process.
    It was us rather than you who got screwed by Adzzter, no? His manifesto was firmly on the left, I can't imagine many of his voters would have gone Tory if he wasn't on the ballot.
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    (Original post by Saoirse:3)
    It was us rather than you who got screwed by Adzzter, no? His manifesto was firmly on the left, I can't imagine many of his voters would have gone Tory if he wasn't on the ballot.
    Given the result (he got 12% and we got 7 seats) i tend to assume that he may have got the 'plague on all their houses' vote. It's unusual that we would have gone ~10-7-10 for no real reason organically.
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    (Original post by Hazzer1998)


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    This is the place to ask members of the TSR Democrats(Formerly the TSR Green Party) questions about the party, policy or the house in general.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Given the result (he got 12% and we got 7 seats) i tend to assume that he may have got the 'plague on all their houses' vote. It's unusual that we would have gone ~10-7-10 for no real reason organically.
    His manifesto was free education (all the way up to PHD level), carbon tax, and anti-nuke, and explicitly had "I'm not a Tory" as a reason to vote for him. I think you guys just had a really, reallllllly bad election. Remembering timing wise it was at peak Miliband, with a significant Labour poll lead, Osborne being booed at the Paralympics etc.
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    Are you with her or do you feel the Bern?
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    (Original post by JMR2017)
    I will be willing to join as long as you include some good left wing policies.
    This party has already been closed
 
 
 
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