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    (Original post by Quantex)
    I only come to MHoC for drama like this.

    And this is another chapter in the story that explains why libertarians are regarded as clowns.
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    I will confirm that my intent was to become DL and then backstab Hazzer with a VoNC, making me leader due to his constitutional amendment allowing me to cannibalise the Greens into the Libers delivering their seat to Saunders with open arms.

    The informant in this, I can confirm, is Jacob E who did this at the first chance he got. He is a slimy operator who will do anything for gratification and the possibility of getting in that chair, including making common cause with his nemesis, Rakas.

    Mr Speaker; will the green seat be added to the pot for the upcoming by election for the Liberal and Socialist seats?
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    I will confirm that my intent was to become DL and then backstab Hazzer with a VoNC, making me leader due to his constitutional amendment allowing me to cannibalise the Greens into the Libers delivering their seat to Saunders with open arms.

    The informant in this, I can confirm, is Jacob E who did this at the first chance he got. He is a slimy operator who will do anything for gratification and the possibility of getting in that chair, including making common cause with his nemesis, Rakas.

    Mr Speaker; will the green seat be added to the pot for the upcoming by election for the Liberal and Socialist seats?
    I thought about this last night and while i was tempted to say that since it has occurred in this voting period it should not, i have decided that it will be a third available seat since the constitution does not currently assert that voting periods have any impact outside the use of voting reviews albeit i do think it's logical and may seek to insert that in the future.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    I thought about this last night and while i was tempted to say that since it has occurred in this voting period it should not, i have decided that it will be a third available seat since the constitution does not currently assert that voting periods have any impact outside the use of voting reviews albeit i do think it's logical and may seek to insert that in the future.
    I'm tempted to argue that throwing in the Green seat with the by-election harms/disadvantages the Liberals/Socialists but I can't see you changing your mind, so just take this as me registering disagreement (though I can see your reasoning and understand it)
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    (Original post by PetrosAC)
    I'm tempted to argue that throwing in the Green seat with the by-election harms/disadvantages the Liberals/Socialists but I can't see you changing your mind, so just take this as me registering disagreement (though I can see your reasoning and understand it)
    Of course it disadvantages Labour (and all the other parties) too because we can't have a second go at the Green seat either.
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    If we assume based on past averages that Labour and the Tories are heavily favoured to pick up one of the original two by-election seats each, then this effectively replaces the Green MP with either a Libber or a Kipper. I don't think that's particularly fair give it presumably wouldn't be the desire of the Green voters, and it also encourages people to game the system by resigning from their party to run an indie campaign.
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    (Original post by Saoirse:3)
    If we assume based on past averages that Labour and the Tories are heavily favoured to pick up one of the original two by-election seats each, then this effectively replaces the Green MP with either a Libber or a Kipper. I don't think that's particularly fair give it presumably wouldn't be the desire of the Green voters, and it also encourages people to game the system by resigning from their party to run an indie campaign.
    Well personally speaking i'd be inclined not to put the seat up as i say because i think using voting periods as markers (i'm not holding two by-elections straight after each other) is quite logical and due to terms end in mid-December, there won't be a by-election for seats lost at the end of this voting review (and in my mind it's logical to extend that to actions).

    On the flip side, a point of grievance in my MoNC was that people wanted a more constitution led approach and felt that the constitution should grant me power rather than me having it until the constitution says i don't and ultimately the constitution does not say that voting periods can be used as markers in this context.

    But on the other hand, I've never been one to shy away from a potentially unpopular decision when i thought it right.

    Since i'm not starting the by-election until Friday i shall have a think.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Well personally speaking i'd be inclined not to put the seat up as i say because i think using voting periods as markers (i'm not holding two by-elections straight after each other) is quite logical and due to terms end in mid-December, there won't be a by-election for seats lost at the end of this voting review (and in my mind it's logical to extend that to actions).

    On the flip side, a point of grievance in my MoNC was that people wanted a more constitution led approach and felt that the constitution should grant me power rather than me having it until the constitution says i don't and ultimately the constitution does not say that voting periods can be used as markers in this context.

    But on the other hand, I've never been one to shy away from a potentially unpopular decision when i thought it right.

    Since i'm not starting the by-election until Friday i shall have a think.
    I mean, unless I'm very much mistaken the constitution and GD don't actually say what to do with seats belonging to closed parties, in which case you could choose to e.g. leave them empty, re-allocate using D'Hondt from the original results or hold a seperate by-election.
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    (Original post by Saoirse:3)
    I mean, unless I'm very much mistaken the constitution and GD don't actually say what to do with seats belonging to closed parties, in which case you could choose to e.g. leave them empty, re-allocate using D'Hondt from the original results or hold a seperate by-election.
    Precedent from the Center Party is a by-election. I'd certainly not distribute from original results. Timing makes me think empty.
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    (Original post by Rakas21)
    Precedent from the Center Party is a by-election. I'd certainly not distribute from original results. Timing makes me think empty.
    A by election was also held when the NLP disbanded; this is clearly the correct decision.
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    (Original post by Saoirse:3)
    If we assume based on past averages that Labour and the Tories are heavily favoured to pick up one of the original two by-election seats each, then this effectively replaces the Green MP with either a Libber or a Kipper. I don't think that's particularly fair give it presumably wouldn't be the desire of the Green voters, and it also encourages people to game the system by resigning from their party to run an indie campaign.
    And it just coincidentally benefits labour by keeping a right wing party without a seat, and how can you be sure that it will go labour, Tory liber/ukip it could go Liber, Tory and ukip
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