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    (Original post by anarchism101)
    Bear in mind that Holocaust denial is not a particularly easy thing to innocently come across. It's not like say, Creationism in the USA, where there is a sizable fundamentalist Christian minority who push it into the political arena and get it a certain undeserved amount of attention which could lead to one innocently coming into contact with it and being duped by it. Holocaust deniers, by contrast, are extremely fringe tiny minority in every way. Without looking for Holocaust denial material, it's unlikely you'll find it.
    I think another less sinister gateway into it is being into conspiracy theories in general. Say you got sucked into 9/11 truther conspiracies, you can then easily get hooked into the antisemitic ones. You're not antisemitic, but Isreal did or played a part in 9/11, that's what the "evidence" shows etc. Maybe there really is a global Jewish conspiracy? What if they did make up or exaggerate the holocaust to get what they want?
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    learn more about the Holocaust here:

    http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-holocaust
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    Because they are ignorant most likely or feel guilty for what their ancestors done to innocent people
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    (Original post by Drummond)
    Just had a brief look in to this. Auschwitz is mostly still standing, well the brick part. Its sister camp Berkenau, has some huts standing but mostly demolished. The only thing i can find on the camp being rebuilt is a claim that after the war a hut was converted to resemble a gas chamber, by holes being put in the roof to replicate what it might have looked like for the gas to be dropped in? I haven't looked in to whether this is justified or not yet though. Do you think this is part of what they mean by rebuilt? because i don't think these camps have been fully rebuilt, well i know they haven't, unless of course googlemaps is prewar.

    Let me have a look in to these claims about holes being installed after the war, it can't be true, there would be no reason for them to do that would there? Even so i can't believe that this is enough evidence to deny the event ever happened though.
    You may well be right I cant say i've ever looked in to it, i'm simply parroting their claims.
    The only bit I can say from personal knowledge is that parts of Auschwitz were demolished [possibly just the chambers] and rebuilt by the Polish to serve as an enduring legacy and museum to the event.
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    (Original post by huv)
    here is another holocaust


    Persian famine of 1917–1919
    Yes but why does one holocaust get so much more attention than the other holocausts, even when in some cases the number of fatalities can be greater in the others?
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    (Original post by Drummond)
    Well to be fair, the topic is only two pages long and he has contributed twice. Once to say something about people who do not believe the official story of things being not right.

    And another time where he went way off on a personal crusade against Christians, which has absolutely nothing to do with what we're discussing. That doesn't sound like someone who is an expert at destroying the evidence of holocaust deniers. It sounds like someone who has a personal agenda against Christians.

    And the hypocrisy here is that, like the Jews, Christians believe in God. So if the Jews were persecuted for believing in God then why is he persecuting Christians for the same thing? Is not this attitude what brought about the holocaust in the first place?
    I have no respect for someone with primitive beliefs like you, such as denying evolution. I have a lot of respect for people like @anarchism101, who is indeed an expert (in TSR terms) at destroying the assertions of feeble-minded holocaust deniers. /End
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    (Original post by Napp)
    You may well be right I cant say i've ever looked in to it, i'm simply parroting their claims.
    The only bit I can say from personal knowledge is that parts of Auschwitz were demolished [possibly just the chambers] and rebuilt by the Polish to serve as an enduring legacy and museum to the event.
    Parroting their claims? Don't do yourself down, you've done some good work in identifying what they believe, now we can understand them better. Other posters were leading me to think they were neo nazis, but now i am understanding that they are not, but are just disputing the facts which we have. You see what happens when we label people without listening? We become the monster that starts these holocausts.
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    (Original post by ageshallnot)
    I have no respect for someone with primitive beliefs like you, such as denying evolution. I have a lot of respect for people like @anarchism101, who is indeed an expert (in TSR terms) at destroying the assertions of feeble-minded holocaust deniers. /End
    Well that's a first, someone who doesn't believe in evolution having primitive beliefs.
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      (Original post by Drummond)
      Why do you think the holocaust gets more attention than one of these other holocausts which you mention, or even the gulag genocide in Siberia, which was a similar time period?
      Ironically, partly because Soviet crimes were already well known. The Soviets committed many crimes before WWII, and we knew this before we went to war. The Germans committed theirs in the second half of the war, and what we knew about it was largely dismissed as war propaganda.

      That was why the holocaust was stressed so much after WWII in most places. In Germany in particular, though, it was to destroy any nationalist sentiment in Germany.

      Germany post-WWII was kept on starvation rations by the allies, because a hungry population is easier to keep under control. Germans were ethnically cleansed from eastern Europe, Germany was cut in half, being de-industrialised, and the plan was to keep it a light industrial backwater as punishment. This would have led to Hitler 2.0 some time down the line had the Germans not been taught to hate themselves a bit.

      There has been no risk of a true socialist regime arising in Europe, while fascism continues to be popular despite a very long and thorough campaign against it. Plus if you wanted to de-emphasise the holocaust, you'd get the Israeli lobby reprimanding you for anti-semitism.
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      (Original post by Drummond)
      Yes but why does one holocaust get so much more attention than the other holocausts, even when in some cases the number of fatalities can be greater in the others?
      propaganda
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      (Original post by Drummond)
      What a bizarre post. What have Christians got to do with this mate?
      OK, you're either trolling or not serious about actually engaging with this topic.
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      (Original post by Drummond)
      And another time where he went way off on a personal crusade against Christians, which has absolutely nothing to do with what we're discussing. That doesn't sound like someone who is an expert at destroying the evidence of holocaust deniers. It sounds like someone who has a personal agenda against Christians.
      Anyone can go through the thread and see that's *******s. I talked about Creationists, not Christians in general, and the link was fairly obvious - both Creationism and Holocaust denial are crank pseudoscholarly (pseudoscience and psuedohistory respectively) phenomena that those who believe in them do so for political reasons, rather than based on a serious review of the evidence.
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      (Original post by ageshallnot)
      I have no respect for someone with primitive beliefs like you, such as denying evolution. I have a lot of respect for people like @anarchism101, who is indeed an expert (in TSR terms) at destroying the assertions of feeble-minded holocaust deniers. /End
      Much appreciate the compliment, thanks!
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      (Original post by anarchism101)
      Anyone can go through the thread and see that's *******s. I talked about Creationists, not Christians in general, and the link was fairly obvious - both Creationism and Holocaust denial are crank pseudoscholarly (pseudoscience and psuedohistory respectively) phenomena that those who believe in them do so for political reasons, rather than based on a serious review of the evidence.
      Listen,

      the Jews were creationists, that's no secret. And they were persecuted for believing in creation.

      So by you calling creationists cranks and attacking them, is exactly why the Jews were persecuted in the first place.

      So you are becoming a persecutor of Jews by attacking their creationist beliefs. This is exactly how the persecution of the Jews began, by this exact attitude.
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      (Original post by Drummond)
      Listen,the Jews were creationists, that's no secret. And they were persecuted for believing in creation.
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      this is not right. the Jews were persecuted for reasons including their outsider status, their alleged involvment in the murder of Our Lord, their successful money-lending activities etc.
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      (Original post by the bear)
      this is not right. the Jews were persecuted for reasons including their outsider status, their alleged involvment in the murder of Our Lord, their successful money-lending activities etc.
      How would you define a Jew mate?
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      (Original post by Drummond)
      the Jews were creationists, that's no secret. And they were persecuted for believing in creation.
      This is, without doubt, one of the stupidest things I've ever seen written on this website.
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      **** me this thread is giving me an aneurysm.
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      (Original post by anarchism101)
      This is, without doubt, one of the stupidest things I've ever seen written on this website.
      Do you want to explain why? Were the Jews not creationists then?
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      (Original post by Drummond)
      Do you want to explain why? Were the Jews not creationists then?
      Do you have any evidence that:
      i) the typical Central European Jew in ~1939 believed that God literally created the world in 6 days ~6,000 years ago, and that evolution therefore didn't happen?
      ii) that the Nazis hated all Jews (but not creationists of other faiths) to the extent of wanting to slaughter them, for this reason?
     
     
     
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