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    (Original post by Drummond)
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    Yes for the umpteenth time, i believe that the Jews were persecuted for believing in God and creation.

    Now are you going to answer my question?

    Do you believe that the Jews in the holocaust did not believe in God?
    That's not quite what you said earlier. If you must make assertions, at least own them.

    Nowhere have I said or implied that Jews in the Holocaust lacked a belief in God. I have not actually said or implied anything about the Holocaust, I simply asked a question.
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    That's not quite what you said earlier. If you must make assertions, at least own them.

    Nowhere have I said or implied that Jews in the Holocaust lacked a belief in God. I have not actually said or implied anything about the Holocaust, I simply asked a question.
    But you were suggesting that they might have been persecuted for something other than believing in God. So enlighten me on what this thing is then please.

    Why would you want to cast doubt on whether the Jews in the holocaust believed in God? And that it was not for their beliefs of why they were persecuted? Without having any evidence to back up your claim.

    I'm all ears.
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    (Original post by Drummond)
    But you were suggesting that they might have been persecuted for something other than believing in God. So enlighten me on what this thing is then please.

    Why would you want to cast doubt on whether the Jews in the holocaust believed in God? And that it was not for their beliefs of why they were persecuted? Without having any evidence to back up your claim.

    I'm all ears.
    I certainly did not cast doubt on whether or not the Jews believe(d) in God - that's a deliberate misrepresentation.

    I have made no claims to 'back up'.
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    (Original post by Drummond)
    Do you have any evidence that they did not believe in God?
    What does this have to do with it?
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    (Original post by gjd800)
    I certainly did not cast doubt on whether or not the Jews believe(d) in God - that's a deliberate misrepresentation.

    I have made no claims to 'back up'.
    Okay that's good to hear, thanks for sharing your thoughts and beliefs with us in this thread .
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    so our beloved bear is an anti-semite now?
    you need to up your game CB.
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    (Original post by Drummond)
    Yes for the umpteenth time, i believe that the Jews were persecuted for believing in God and creation.
    So what distinguished the Jews from Muslims and Christians in this regard?
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    (Original post by anarchism101)
    So what distinguished the Jews from Muslims and Christians in this regard?
    I don't understand, tell me .
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    (Original post by Drummond)
    I don't understand, tell me .
    You made the claim that Jews were persecuted for believing in God. So why weren't non-Jews who believe/believed in God similarly persecuted?
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    (Original post by Drummond)
    But you were suggesting that they might have been persecuted for something other than believing in God. So enlighten me on what this thing is then please.

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    Political power, money and 'racial purity'. I think you need to read some proper history books, to be honest.
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    (Original post by anarchism101)
    You made the claim that Jews were persecuted for believing in God. So why weren't non-Jews who believe/believed in God similarly persecuted?
    They have been, Christians have been persecuted since Christ by Rome and then papal Rome. Bible believing Christians fled to America to avoid Vatican persecution. Millions and millions of Christians were slaughtered by Papal Rome and Loyola's army of Jesuits, all because they wanted to read the bible for themselves. Oh and because the Book Of Daniel shows that the anti-christian power would come from Rome.

    It was the reformers who declared that papal Rome was anti-christ. And remember that they were catholics as well, before leaving to follow Christ.

    Thanks for asking the question, its probably better if we discuss this in the 'Christian persecution in the bible end times thread' if i can find it.

    But you're right, Christians have been and will be, completely persecuted. It's written.
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    (Original post by the bear)
    you need to up your game CB.
    How can you not have ill feeling towards the Jews if they killed your Lord?
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    How can you not have ill feeling towards the Jews if they killed your Lord?
    Our Lord was Himself an Israeli.
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    (Original post by ageshallnot)
    Political power, money and 'racial purity'. I think you need to read some proper history books, to be honest.
    I've got just the bestest history book of all time, a King James Bible, and it not only tells me what has happened, but it also tells me what is going to happen. You can have all the history books you want and i've probably read a lot of them myself, but i'll stick to my King James and be persecuted and mocked for doing so, as it is written.
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    (Original post by Drummond)
    I've got just the bestest history book of all time, a King James Bible, and it not only tells me what has happened, but it also tells me what is going to happen. You can have all the history books you want and i've probably read a lot of them myself, but i'll stick to my King James and be persecuted and mocked for doing so, as it is written.
    So you've read Ian Kershaw? Peter Longerich? Richard Evans? Adam Tooze? What about Mein Kampf? Goebbels' diaries?
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    (Original post by ageshallnot)
    So you've read Ian Kershaw? Peter Longerich? Richard Evans? Adam Tooze? What about Mein Kampf? Goebbels' diaries?
    Oh, thanks for the recommendations, here's one for youn - What about the King James Bible, the word of our living God? Have you read that yet?
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    (Original post by Drummond)
    Why is he? Did not certain Jews have collaboration in the crucifixion of our LORD Jesus the Messiah?
    Just wondering whether he was merely bringing it up to explain cause of antisemitism, or whether he bares some grudge against Jews for that treachery.
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    (Original post by ChaoticButterfly)
    Just wondering whether he was merely bringing it up to explain cause of antisemitism, or whether he bares some grudge against Jews for that treachery.
    What about you, do you bare a grudge against those Jews for participating in the killing of an innocent and righteous man?
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    It's mainly just far-right extremists or psychos on places like 4chan that believe it's fake, simply because they dislike Jews. But I have seen some try to defend the view of statistical evidence.
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    (Original post by Drummond)
    Oh, thanks for the recommendations, here's one for youn - What about the King James Bible, the word of our living God? Have you read that yet?
    I read parts - and dismissed it - a long time ago.

    Let me make a serious suggestion. You are not, and never can be, a historian. So head over to the Faith & Spirituality section and put forward your views there.
 
 
 
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